I stumbled across this picture:
This comparison has completely made me rethink our existence in the "universe" in which we live in…What if we are a smaller element in the world of science? If a more powerful being exists, say for instance, God, what if we are living as PART of him, and not CREATED in his image…? I am uber interested in this so I would like to hear some opinions on this please!!
Oh yeah I’ve seen this before! Mind blowing. I have often contemplated the possibility of being a tiny atom in a large creature. The words I’ve put to it are “a speck underneath the fingernail of a giant”. :)
I like to zoom out and remember how tiny we are in the grand scheme of things every once in a while… Makes it impossible to stress over insignificant details.
Alex: i love the compariso..but have a slightly different take on it
its got nothing to do the the “size”(how huge or how miniscule) factor..
there actually isn’t any form or properly delineated space..its all about the inter-connections and energy that flows..whether be it the synapses between neurons within the cell or the galactic energy transmissions!
u are as small as u make urself be or as gigantic as u imagine!
i mean all life forms are mere borrowed energy and so we remain after death..its mere transmission!
i loved these lines from Avatar wherein the character of Dr. Grace had beautifully summarized the same:
“I’m not talking about pagan voodoo here – I’m talking about something REAL and measurable in the biology of the forest.
What we think we know – is that there’s some kind of electrochemical communication between the roots of the trees. Like the synapses between neurons. Each tree has ten to the fourth connections to the trees around it, and there are ten to the twelfth trees on Pandora…That’s more connections than the human brain. You get it? It’s a network – a global network. And the Na’vi can access it – they can upload and download data – memories – at sites like the one you just destroyed.”
thats my opinion by the way..open to contradictions!:)
(love the pics btw)
I love this picture. It solidifies my belief of a few things, and lets me theorize a little more about some other things. We are a cell in a big body, but the cells inside of us could contain little people as well. It’s like a giant chain of micro and macro and everything is together. Do things get bigger and bigger to no end? do things get smaller and smaller to no end? Maybe the most macro things ever, really turn out to be the most micro at the same exact time. Still, I can’t help believe we are all One.
awesome pair of pictures. I’ve long felt that god is the energy field of the universe – that “singularity” at which science breaks down, blown up. thus god is everywhere, in everything, and we’re all connected. I mean if you zoom in close enough, there would be no way to tell the difference between the atoms in my ass, the pants I’m wearing, and the chair I’m sitting in. just fields and energy.
This crosses over into my thoughts on the “what do you think about when you stare at the stars” thread, and the idea that the ratio of empty space to stuff inside an atom is similar to the space:stuff in the universe as a whole.
And Alex: do things get smaller and smaller with no end? I believe they do. As long as science keeps looking, they’ll keep finding smaller bits of “stuff”. Or at least, they’ll convince themselves that they have.
@daveb, I concur! I look at it like math in a way. You have infinite negative numbers (which i’ll call micro) and infinite positive (which ill call macro) Do we ever come round the circle to get back to zero? I look at all numbers as falling on a grid. 0 is the origin, the upper right half is positive, upper left is negative, the lower right is imaginary, and the lower left is negative imaginary numbers. Could it be possible that things do come round circle like that? When you reach infinitely macro, maybe the next step is the imaginary world, the imaginary macro, and then it converges back to the imaginary negative, and then converges back to real mirco. Its a cycle. Thats just how I look at it sometimes though. Thoughts?
@ellie: That’s so true! There are so many problems in the world, politically and socially and anything else you can think of. But why are we wasting our time with these stupid things when there are entirely different worlds to explore? The vast emptiness of space, which really isn’t empty, is our NEXT frontier and not our FINAL frontier, as depicted in Star Trek haha.
@abhishek: You are completely right as well. There is a show called “The Universe” on Netflix, and one episode was explaining how we are all energy and that matter and energy can be transformed into one another. And with all of the laws of physics like gravity, electromagnetism, weak, strong forces, etc. working at such AWESOME distances, I wonder if we are in the brain of a bigger being. And, similar to our synapses, we are merely transferring energy and whatever else could possibly be out there through these forces.
@alex: What kind of beliefs are solidified when you see that picture? And to think that we may be part of a larger living cell…
What if planets are like cells, and we must do everything in our power to keep it alive and well? If we decide to start messing it up with wars, disease, and poverty, we destroy the cell. With overpopulation, it’s like we are becoming a cancer…? Thoughts anyone?
interesting . . . the idea of a convergence point between macro and micro is really intriguing, but I have to give it a bit of thought. skies are forecasted clear and the full moon is long gone so tonight should be a good one to consider just that while watching for perseid remnants.
at this point, my feeling is that the universe is observer-dependent. It’s a bit too much for me to believe that it’s just this giant timeless thing that has nothing to do with us. If we look we’ll always find something “bigger” or “smaller”. it’s why I tell my son the Observable Universe (not the whole universe) is 15 billion light years, and we have absolutely no clue what’s beyond that. to conclude there’s nothing there seems short-sighted (ha!) to me.
@alex. The beliefs that are solidified when I see this picture are, That consciousness is what the universe is about. That everything is connected together, everything creates one. That god is a very probable reality for ME, and that god may or may not be there, but chances are he isn’t even aware of us! Could be though, but he might look at us like little cells.. That we could be gods in ourselves. We could host many many life forms inside our own bodies. Thats why your thoughts matter, and your actions even more. Imagine if all this was true, and god committed suicide? Imagine if he harmed his body with nasty chemicals? It goes on and on with me. I believe the universe to be a bigger construct of the human brain, and the human brain to be a bigger construct of a cell, and a cell to be a bigger construct of a particle..and on and on and on.
@daveb. I agree so much with that. I cannot wait until the day I have a child to talk to about these things. To me it will seem so much more important to both myself, and it will set the things in motion for the child to question everything, and to learn..to be curious.
I just can’t believe the universe isn’t dependent on us, as much as we are on the universe. I completely agree that the universe is observer-dependent. (it’s almost been proven by science too!)
I always saw this, and people’s response to it, as a sort of confirmation bias or Apophenia (the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data). People tend to see what they want to see and be less critical of things that affirm their pre-held beliefs or hypotheses. That’s not to say we should just write it off as coincidence, it’s thought provoking, and it definitely sparks some interesting debates, but skepticism has a very important place in learning and understanding. Science needs skeptics.
@alex: When you said that “consciousness is what the universe is about”, it sparked a old part of myself. I remember watching Star Trek: The Next Generation, and it was an episode where they have a warp drive accident and travel millions of light years into a galaxy made of photonic life (life composed of photons), with it appearing and disappearing at random. They got there because of this time traveler that “enhanced” the thoughts of the crew of the Enterprise. One of the crew members makes a huge discovery through him that the mind and matter are more alike than we think; that if we were able to use our mind in the most efficient way possible, or tap the right part of our brain, we could control the physical world in ways we could hardly imagine.
I know its science fiction, but the more recent Star Trek shows (Voyager, Enterprise, The Next Generation) are such a motivator for me to learn more about our existence and the world around us. I can only hope that in the 24th century, we are able to roam the galaxy and encounter new life, new civilizations, and better ourselves as humans with all the potential that we have, which is astronomical.
@mike: You are right, science does need skeptics, but that’s what people probably said in the past. They probably thought that some things that we can do today was completely impossible. They just didn’t have the understanding and technological advancement at the time to know what was really possible and really impossible. Even with all we can do today, we are still a primitive species, only scratching the surface of science. We exist on one planet among millions or billions. Who knows what’s out there right?
@alex. There is far more ‘fact’ in science fiction than I personally imagined before I started to learn more. I love Star Trek, and It’s a shame so many people I know absolutely hate the show. But yes, I believe our thoughts actually do manifest in the real world. we can’t rightfully tell, since there are so many thoughts on the earth that never go accounted for. All life in the universe must contain thought, and all that thought is what dictates the universe itself. It’s a double negative where in itself, both are nothing, but together they create something positive, and tangible.
@alex: I’m glad your into this kinda stuff. I was talking to my friend and she reminded me of something I hadn’t taken into account. What do you think about the comparison to the mouse neuron and universe that is expanding faster and faster and galaxies are getting farther and farther apart? Do you believe this expansion is happening? And if so, what would it maybe represent?
This question is open to everyone!
@alex B I completely agree, that’s why I said we shouldn’t just write it off, but some skepticism would do us well. But people look at this and completely revamp their outlook on the universe but if we step back it’s just a slice of a rat’s brain and a SIMULATED guess as to what the dark matter distribution in our universe MAY look like.
reading anymore into it at this point, is detrimental in my mind.
Live long and prosper
@ alex you are right. I believe math and geometry can explain the laws of nature.. but its not as mind blowing as people say it is.
@alexb I personally believe the universe is expanding. Whats expanding it you ask? Dark matter!! AKA I have no fucking clue.
@anon, You’re right in that sense, but it is mindblowing because it’s not what you would expect!.
@alex. Yes I believe the expansion is happening. I look backwards at it. If we are part of a larger body, then what was the big bang? What happens when a child is born? You go through this massive expansion of learning and understanding in the first year or so. That to me is the big bang. It sets the foundation. The rest will have to expand. Things always expand afterwards. Towards death things expand again more dramatically, but in a different way. It is death. We don’t know what happens after death, so its hard to even theorize how that plays into the rest of the picture. But the similarities between the life of the universe and that of a human is hard to ignore.
*edit* dark matter= learning, and expansion of awareness.