Due to a great post by Jordan at http://www.highexistence.com/discussions/topic/my-best-explanation-of-shrooms-lsd-to-a-non-user/ I will take the topic of DMT as well.
What is DMT?
-DMT is a naturally occuring compound in many plants as well as in humans. The function in humans is unknown and debateable but has been thought to control Near-death-experiences, dreams, and other extreme senses. Its chemical structure is similar to Psilocybin and serotonin. It is also reportedly the strongest hallucinogen (not by dose, but by intensity obtainable).
The experience is very quick when DMT is inahled by vaporization, and lasts around 15 minutes. The first sensations are often an overwhelming weakness of the body, and a struggle to stay standing or sitting up, and a need to lie down. Your vision usually will either begin to tremble, or massive amounts of kaleidoscope images will begin to appear, ever increasing in their intensity. The visuals will morph around the 45 second mark into actual hallucinations – images of people, creatures, or structures will appear. The shapes will at first seem abstract, but can become increasingly real. These will last for approximately 6 minutes, followed by a weakening in intensity, and a revelation that you are actually in your room (or wherever you started) and that the trip wasn’t taking place in reality. The visuals will last for a while and usually look like crystals or veins with extravagent colors.
As with psilocybin, any feeling you encounter will be incredibly intense. I often think of DMT as the "awe" drug, because every time I have taken it, I have been awe-struck by beauty and the sheer vastness it creates. Any emotion you feel can be amplified, from sheer terror to utter bliss, and visuals to match.
The difference between psilocybin and DMT is that psilocybin is much slower. It builds and builds and the slight changes that constantly occur in your awareness of reality allow you to truly understand what is happening. DMT on the other hand blasts far beyond psilocybin’s perspectives and in a fraction of the time, often giving the user forgetfulness of the events that took place, or the revelations that s/he had. Often, however, the user is shown (analogy owed to Jordan) the play in which we are all actors, but exactly what is controlling it. DMT, in my experience, often explains what is truly behind human kind, and how we think, why we think, and what exactly reality is. The problem, of course, is the intensity and duration of the trip. It is incredibly hard to comprehend what is shown to you in the very limited amount of time.
Since DMT is so short here are the only precautions you need:
1. Never do DMT when you are anxious, stressed, or depressed. If you get nervous before doing it, ease your mind, you will thank yourself! Many people meditate before taking this substance.
2. Set your mind up for happiness, trust me, its rewarding.
3. Since the duration is so short, a sitter is not always necessary, but make sure that you are not somewhere where you can knock things over, or where if you lay down something may spill, catch fire, or any other dangerous scenario.
Here are some trip reports (Ranging from Euphoria to Terror – its always benefitial to see both sides, right?):
Me- After a 5 minute calming of meditation, I think about love and warmth, and how I would greatly enjoy a trip with such emotions. I inhale and lay down, a slight warming in my stomach materializes. Suddenly I am rained down on by hearts and pink and purple rays. I am cuddled, and held in the bosom of life, like a baby and his mother. I cannot hold back laughter of sheer joy. A tunnel appears in front of me, and oddly a marijuana bud appears (I don’t smoke marijuana often). I have no idea why it appears, but it is incredibly benign.
Me – After discussing with a friend, he decides he would like to do it with me, if I do it first. After an appreciation for the substance (mentally preparing myself) I inhale. I lay down, and suddenly everything becomes alive. All things have veins and arteries, pumping neon light everywhere. I am connected to all things by these vessicles of life. I am catapulted into the thought of how society influences all of us. I stare at all the materials in his apartment and my clothes and start laughing at how silly all these purchases are. I stand up, still very intoxicated, and begin pacing the room, laughing histarically at how stupid we all are! I couldn’t believe I had ever bought name brand clothing, or some stylish sheets for my bed, or any trinkets to put in my house. All of my influences seem so ridiculous. I slowly come down, and the real revelations disappear. I feel very confident in myself.
A friend – Takes an inhale in his room. His dog appears through the door, and says to him "I know you’ve taken DMT. I’ve alerted the police." My friend responds "You’re my best bud and you’re doing this to me? Why?" but his words come out as garbbled noise, and he realizes he can’t talk because he is so high. Two policemen come inside and ask him to slowly get off the bed when he is sober so they can arrest him. He nods his head and attempts to ride out the high, waiting for his arrest. As the high wears off, he realizes he is actually face down in his pillow. He tosses himself upwards and sees nobody in his room, his dog in the far end of the house.
A friend – An inhale while sitting on a porch outside. He is launched into interstellar space. Floating, unaware of anything. A man who looks much like mythical zeus, and the size of trillions of galaxies in length approaches him. He grabs his face, rips it off and stretches it to the end of the universe. The diety winds up and starts to throw the face back onto my friends head but right before my friend’s face is to be reunited with his body, the god explains: "Never come back here", an astronomical clapping sound occurs and my friend is dumped back into reality, sober as a clam, sitting on the porch.
I’d like to try DMT sometime but not sure when. I’ve heard a lot of crazy stories from friends that experienced it.
I’ve taken it around a dozen times. All varying in intensity and emotion.
The stories can’t get much crazier. . .
Good stuff, sounds like you’ve done your homework. I had the same funny revelation in your second trip report about material possessions. I tripped with a homie on the back porch of this beautiful house looking over a prairie at an oak tree. My friend described seeing thousands of souls twisting through the bark of the tree, and we both felt a physical, energetic connection to all the life surrounding us. I always get a feeling of bouyancy on dmt, like I’m floating in an ocean of molecules, ever connected to the universe. We both laughed hysterically at our phones and other gadgets as we were coming down. We couldn’t figure out their value and discarded them immediately to take a walk around the prairie to enjoy nature for the first time through reborn eyes.
Interesting that you saw a weed nug in your first report, also. Another friend of mine reported tripping on dmt for an unbelievable 7 hours. He owed it to smoking weed, saying that he communicated with entities and asked them for a way to prolong the experience. They answered in some intelligent way that suggested him to try smoking copious amounts of weed while tripping. This dude was super informed on dmt and had previously read that it wasn’t possible online. The entities laughed at him when he told them, saying that they’re almighty and weed would most definitely work.
Reportedly he was able to metaphorically press the button down on the DMTrip with 1 dose of dmt, and hold it down for 5hrs with about an 8th of dank weed packed bowl after bowl. He said this allowed him to maintain contact with the entities he was experiencing, and that they continued to communicate with him. Whenever he thought it couldn’t get more weird, it would. When he thought to himself “I hope I’m not shown spiders, that’s one thing I’m afraid of seeing” the entities laughed at him and told him there was nothing to fear and bombarded him with visions of spiders and other challenges for him to overcome and learn from. He said the strong visuals lasted for ~4 hours, with lasting effects for a total 7hrs.
I was pretty amazed and have yet to try this… I usually can’t function well while on DMT to be able to pack a bowl, and I notice my mind is much more foggy and forgetful of the experience when I’m stoned. But may be something worth trying. Weed has already been proven an efficient booster to shrooms, in my experience anyway.
It’s interesting both of you mention seeing objects and material things as worthless, it reminds me of what a friend of mine told me about his experience on DMT and actually *being* objects instead. He remembers, for instance, knowing what it’s like to be a comb.
I am thoroughly fascinated by this substance, and definitely intend to try it, but I also really wanna wait a few years. Only done LSD once, not done shrooms yet, I feel like DMT can certainly wait. My housemate was planning on doing it…and then saw his ex-gf of only a fortnight ago walking hand in hand with this dude we know. Not cool. Not good headspace.
Cody – yea. Phones become funny. All that technology becomes bullshit. You just want to go ride your bike or walk to a friends house and tell them to get rid of their phones. quit your job, lets just hang out and eat peaches n watermelon all day under the nice blue sky. Trees are pretty aren’t they? (If you’ve been there).
About the 8 hour tripping. Could it be your friend had taken an MAOi? I doubt he is on any anti-depressants, and I doubt he drank some harmala extract, but by taking an MAOi, DMT becomes “ayahuasca”-like, that is the duration becomes 4-8 hours.
Ebon – you realize what its like to be anything, really. Empathy becomes so beyond amplified, you feel the weight, and life, of the world at times.
Nick – BAD headspace. What an awful feeling.
Yea lol, that’s literally what we did, we could only think of 1 other person in the world who existed, and called him to the scene immediately. He mystically obeyed and showed up to walk, eat, and smoke the night away.
My other friend made it clear that he didn’t have an maoi affecting him, just straight weed and dmt from a pipe. I tried to reason with him, detailing some of my longer trips and ayahuasca experiences, but he’s convinced it was the weed.
The more I read about these experiences, the more I feel like weed, shrooms, dmt, meditation, etc. all do the same thing to varying catalyzing degrees. They seem to bring consciousness into our experience, even if it’s just for a fleeting time. Most of the time though, it seems that some of that consciousness remains with you. I think the reason many people don’t remember their experiences and realizations while taking dmt is because they became too conscious of reality for their mind to properly comprehend what was going on.
hey great explanation man. thanks. when i did DMT i looked down at my xbox controller and the buttons started going up in the air and like u said i started not being able to talk and started loosing visuals. i felt like my body was attached to the seat and my soul was in a majestic beautiful place iv never traveled to.
So, yesterday I had my first experience with DMT and it is really something amazing.
It is so difficult to explain what you feel and what you see but I will give it a try by explaining my whole experience.
The trips (I did it two times):
– So we made a couple of short joints, starting with only tabacco, going to a part with tabacco and the DMT to another short end part with only tabacco. First one of my friends who did it before took one joint himself to try it out, since this was bought from another person than last time. The first thing I noticed is the immense smell of it. At the one hand it smells disgusting, but on the other hand not at all, kind of weird. My friend was in a quite short trip in my idea, and he told us that he experienced it less strong than the first time he did it, so I was a little bit disappointed, but nevertheless the rest of us did it as well (5 in total, I think it might be better to do it with less people). First of all we meditated a little bit, but since not everybody was familiar with meditation this was difficult as well, and second of all we had relaxing music on. Anyway, I sat down on the bed in preparation to smoke the joint. I was a little bit ‘anxious’ of what to expect, but on the other hand excited and calm as well. The first inhalation tasted like a cigarette, but slightly different already. With the second and third inhale I already tasted the DMT and it felt like some sort of smoke ‘bomb’ was planted inside my body every time I inhaled the DMT. It felt like it was spreading all over my body. I was told that I should keep the smoke of DMT inside my body for a while and not exhale it immediately like you would normally do, so this is what I did. With every inhalation it became harder and harder to continue smoking and at one point everything became so unreal, so I closed my eyes and laid down on the bed.
What I started to see was unbelievable. First of all, the immense amount of shapes and colors and second of all the ‘shadows’ that appeared. I had the feeling that I was being sucked in slowly in some kind of tunnel and that those dark shapes wanted to take me with them. It was amazing and I wanted to come with them so badly, to go to the end of that tunnel and see what was there, but it seemed that I could not go behind a certain point. They were communicating to me in an unexplainable way, because it is not based on sound, but more as in some kind of feeling. I knew what they wanted, and I wanted it too! Unfortunately the trip did not last long enough and it slowly began to fade away, and once I was out, I wanted to go another time, to see the end of the tunnel, make the trip in a better way.
I thought that maybe I did not do it in a right way, because I inhaled and exhaled, while I thought that maybe I should inhale, wait, inhale more, wait, inhale more wait, until you come to a point that you have to cough everything out because your longs are filled with so much smoke already, so I decided that the second time I will try to do that.
After 2/2,5 hours we did another trip, with less people now and different music.
So I decided to stick to my plan with the inhalation. I knew that the DMT was going to be earlier in the joint already so I had only 1 inhalation of tabacco before the DMT would be there already.
So I tried to smoke it in the way I described above: inhale, wait, inhale more, wait, inhale more etc. and it was extremel difficult. With every new inhalation I wanted to exhale and had to use my willpower to keep the smoke inside me.
Again I came to the point where everything started to change and I knew I was being sucked into it, but I took one more inhalation before I closed my eyes and laid down again.
There I was, back again in my trip, hoping to take a journey into the tunnel again. BUT: my trip was totally different now. No tunnel, no shadows, apart from one appearing at the beginning of my trip but quickly fading away.
Now the experience was different, I saw shapes and colors again, but it was like they were the music that was being played. It was like I was seeing the music in some kind of weird way. I did not see any shadows anymore, only the shapes and colors. This trip felt so different from the first one and it felt like I was in another dimension again. I have more troubles explaining what I saw the second time, because it was so strange and I just do not have words to describe it.
In the end it was the most amazing experience I have ever been through and it is really not explainable what you feel/see. You cannot compare it to anything else we are familiar with in ‘our world’ as we know it.
I definitely want to try it again, especially because my friend said that he had it more intense the first time he did it and I do now know what the reasons can be.
I think we had around 40/45 mg in one joint, while normally it should be around 35, so it cannot be due to the amount I think.
Is it possible that there are different kind of strengths of DMT? The way it is prepared maybe? Or maybe because we were with too much people? Or we did not meditate well enough? Or maybe the way I inhaled was not good? Should I inhale stronger and less inhalations for example? @ijesuschrist, do you know some explanations? Although I do found my trip very intense and amazing, especially the first time I had the feeling that I was not experiencing it for the 100%. I cannot explain why because I have no comparison material, but I just feel like there is more, like I could go inside that tunnel and see more than I saw already. It is just a feeling, I cannot explain it.
So, what is my status right now? Calm… The moment I got out of the trip I felt calm. Some kind of calmness and peace. It is like the stressful thoughts that are coming into my head do no matter so much as they would do normally.
I do not know if this is a temporary effect, or that it will last for longer, but I really do it is not temporary and that my vision/feeling/perception of reality, or at least the reality we are in in our daily life, because my DMT experience felt more like reality than the reality in my daily life does. It was just far too short, I had the idea that it was only 1 minut or less, while it lasted 10 minuts. Such an amazing experience, I still cannot understand everything that I saw, because I was so amazed at that moment. Also my hands became HOT as hell and my whole body just became conscious. Like meditation should be.
So, my first time experience of DMT: I definitely recommend it to everybody.
Amazing Filip, pretty cool! :) When are we going to meet? (what date are you leaving for Nepal again?
Anyways, for next time, try out the ‘Machine’. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9570496
One of a kind experience, for sure. I am leaving May 31th and this is my last week in my current apartment, so I would say as soon as possible. Lets PM?
The machine seems very interesting! I just do not know if I am handy enough to make it.
@Filip, Your first steps in hyper space.
I’m not sure about your second experience but your first seems like just the first taste of DMT. If you were to use an oil pipe or “the machine”, you would place the previous experiences as mild.
You’ll have conversations (usually 1-way conversations, lol) with entities.
This is where the duality of reality really begins to make me question everything. :O !
DMT is unlike any drug i’ve experienced. The first few times I tripped on DMT were incredible. I had so many life epiphanies and one trip had me laughing to the point of tears the entire time. Then something changed. Let me first say, I have NEVER (and will never) trip when I’m feeling stressed or any other negative emotion because I know that can take you to a dark and scary place. With that said, I began seeing these demon-like creatures that last few times I tripped on DMT. It was the same demon creature every time. Weird right? I don’t understand why my trips changed so dramatically. Could it be that the DMT trips were causing me to feel what my body was actually feeling but I just didn’t realize it? If that makes any sense….
@katie, DMT is a very tricky substance. Very tricky. The thing is, as soon as you believe what you are seeing is real, it becomes real. But if you do not, it is very obviously “just your brain on drugs”. Which is what I was talking about when I said Duality.
There is something very profound about DMT (and really all hallucinogens) in their ability to CREATE reality from beliefs. You aren’t going to be able to fly if you truly believe it, but reality itself can change from a sunny day to a dark abyss, like you say.
It is incredibly perplexing at how dramatically quick your mood can change, even your ENTIRE OUT LOOK ON LIFE after 15 minutes. You can be launched into love and affection, or be drowning in a black tar of demons and hatred, regardless of how you felt 15 minutes ago (or how you THOUGHT you felt.)
It really makes you question reality, your perspective, and what is within and outside of your control…
Definitely. I feel those wanting to experiment with dmt and get their full satisfaction from it should be cautious. Almost immediately it will challenge what you thought you knew about dmt reality, life, religion; but it can also make you challenge your own existence and sanity. I believed once that I was dying and the trip would not stop for another 10-15 minutes. This convinced me that I indeed was dead and had just been ejected into the afterlife. When I came down it was relieving to be back in my body, but also terrifying that I had just convinced myself to let go completely.
With that said it’s an immense tool for introspection and learning. I wouldn’t be the same person today without it. Try not to judge what you see. There is no good or bad, if you react in astonishment you will miss the mega process going on around you, or reactions in fear will block off the rest of the trip. Just be.