Do "Bad People" Truly Exist?

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My entire life, I’ve heard people say that someone was a bad person.
I’ve even described people as “bad” before, several times.

But then I started to look over everything. Are there actually “bad people”?
I believe that everyone is born inherently good, and conditioning and experience sculpt your personality.
The people who are serial killers usually have a bad childhood or mental problems.
Is it their fault that they’re mentally unstable?

The extremists in churches who scream blaspheme to any homosexual were brought up that way since they were children.
Is it their fault that this way of closed minded thinking was forced upon them?

I believe that everyone is a good person, but not everyone does good actions.
I feel like that contradicts what I’m saying because in order for there to be “good people,” there’d have to be “bad people.” But you get what I’m saying.

I’d love to hear your opinions on this, just out of curiosity.

January 14, 2013 at 6:41 pm
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linnea (72) (@linnea) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

Yay. People are inherently good. Nobody is born a monster. Monsters are made.

Sure, people might be born with a genetic propensity towards addiction, or anger issues, but that doesn’t make them a bad person. It just makes it easier for them to become “bad”, through their actions and the life they lead.

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Andy (28) (@andy) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

I was just thinking something similar the other day. If you can imagine someone out there who *enjoys* killing and hurting others. Yes, they exist – but I feel like in instances of psychopathy, they are doing it for the “rush of the kill”, its very personal to them.

i sometimes think that this image of, say, a terrorist who is out there to harm as many people as possible just for shits and giggles, doesn’t actually exist in the real world. I think that this is simply an idea from a movie or book, where a character is created and exaggerated. Real life is much more complex. I like the idea that if someone is doing something offensive or insulting, oppressive, ignorant etc… that they are doing it because they truly believe that it is the best thing for themselves and others. But then again, that could be me twisting everything around me to look like love lol.

Maybe i just don’t want to believe that “evil” people exist….ugh, i just feel like “evil” is the inability to connect with others. And all of us just have varying degrees of this ability.

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Taylor (36) (@chabalamp) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@andy, Well I feel that people who enjoy inflicting pain on others have issues that stemmed from their childhood or their mental state. Nobody mentally healthy could find pleasure in that. Do you see what I’m saying?

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Kidd (1,058) (@kidd) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

I don’t believe “bad” or “evil” people exist. Granted, I don’t believe “good” people exist, either.

I believe that there is ignorance and then there is knowledge. There is foolishness and wisdom. And I believe THESE are what clash in times of dispute, not “good” and “evil.”

If there is such thing as “good and evil,” it’s a concept outside of our lives as humans.

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Andy (28) (@andy) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

yea i hear ya. I’m just wondering out loud if there is a person out there who understands fully the pain that he is inflicting, and enjoys it for that reason. I think if you enjoy inflicting pain on others you don’t understand the pain… you can’t relate to it.

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Phil (83) (@urbanuncia) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@chabalamp, first of all, ask yourself what being “good” means and what being “bad” means. Then sift through all the BS, wait 3-5 business days, and check your mailbox. In the meantime, here’s a thought. Nobody is inherently anything. When you are born, you are pure innocence. A blank slate. Throughout our lives we have experiences that shape the way we see the world. We can choose to look at the world with eyes of cynicism, hatred and negativity, or we can choose to look at the world with eyes of happiness, acceptance and love. Naturally, being happy feels better. Loving makes you feel fuzzy <3

In my opinion, nobody is a bad person. On purpose. We create mental tools to deal with the world, and we choose between good tools and bad tools based on what has worked before. Some people don't know how to deal with the world except through negativity, and I feel sorry for them.

So please, before you pass judgement upon someone, practice empathy and look at the situation from their eyes. Then help them see the light.

Hope this helped ^.^

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1.61803399 (246) (@drunkmonkmeth) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

people do good things and people do bad things. Sometimes people do good things and bad things happen. Sometimes people do bad things but with a good intention. life is more complicated than good or evil and so are people.

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Andy (28) (@andy) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

I don’t think anyone was passing judgement.

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Taylor (36) (@chabalamp) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@urbanuncia, Well, I see what you’re saying, but in your effort to prove me wrong “Nobody is inherently anything. When you are born, you are pure innocence. A blank slate” You proved my point.

I believe that innocence is a good quality to have, so therefore, people are born good in my opinion.

But I definitely stopped thinking there are bad people years ago, I can’t judge people anymore…It just doesn’t feel right.

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Phil (83) (@urbanuncia) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@andy, I was speaking metaphorically, not directly. Sorry :<
@chabalamp, :D
Here are some more for you to add to your list: Why does war continue to rage on in the Information Age? Why do we stand idly by as Nuclear reactors in Japan are on the verge of total meltdown? Why is the government oppressing the people? Whose fault is it? Why would anyone want to do that?

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Flynnstone (813) (@flynnstone) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

I think we say someone is good or bad relative to our definitions of a good or bad person.
These ideas can be heavily influenced by “what society thinks is good/bad” or we can try and step away from that.
On the most basic, instinctual level though, I think that we will always try and gauge who is good/bad in our own eyes just as a survival mechanism. For example, I would not walk home from a party with someone I thought was a bad person. Also, I think we try to spend most of our time with people we think are good on some level or who we are reserving judgement on at the very least, but try to minimize the time we spend interacting with bad people, in whatever way we think they are “bad”.
I just realized that I didn’t put quotes on any of the goods/bads, but let’s just pretend I did.

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Brizzle (6) (@joenafoshi) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

Without evil there can be no good. So how can there NOT be what we consider “bad” people if we have “good” people? Aren’t good and bad dependent on each other?

That being said, what makes a person truly “bad?” I don’t think good or bad people exist. I think people do the best they can to keep themselves happy. Sometimes they will do things that are selfish and hurt other people to better their own life, which by our standards is bad, but that doesn’t make them evil or a monster.

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Anonymous (35) (@) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

Tiger ppl. Them green rays I been hating the fuck outta them till I just relaxed and.loved em for.who they r. Theybstill piss me off sometimes but I married one lol. And im half one..

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Anonymous (35) (@) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@christopherrbrooke,tiger ppl are magnetized to tigers and green. Their meditaion is feeling their body and feeling.powerful. they always think they’re top notch and in charge. Loud obnoxious and like to.party. their arrogace is my only.turnoff……..like you may b king of this world ok. But not creation

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Phil (83) (@urbanuncia) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@christopherrbrooke, you mean they have tiger personalities?

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Anonymous (35) (@) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

O ya dude I let this guy in on Christmas he was at my doorstep it was cold he had nowhere to go barley knew him let him stay on tempurpedic watch movies with him.baked him 2 dozen cookines popcorn HELLA good guest. He was part mex so I made him cherizos breakfast in bed Christmas morning no shot and he stole my wires wedding ring(newlyweds) from the bathroom W T F ya there’s bad ppl that’s pretty bad right. Just not good at least

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Anonymous (35) (@) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@urbanuncia, ya well that’s been the decibel trip. They are tigers idk? They have tiger everywhere on them/for them like a fkin movie dude lol. Like a tiger bedspread or a tiger picture on the wall ect. Mine is lion it pops up and I see the resemblance. Bottom.line with the tiger ppl they like to have sex lol. The rough kinda sex;) best way I can understand em

Lol this one.guy knew it too he had the bedspread such a trip.he points it out says “so the ladies know I’m not messin around” an gives me a wink lol!
This shits4real!!

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Anonymous (35) (@) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

I love em though don’t get me wrong but they’re the only.people thatve ever caused me some friction (false sense of superiority lol)

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Phil (83) (@urbanuncia) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@christopherrbrooke, You’re lucky, you have eyes that can see right through people!

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Anonymous (35) (@) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@urbanuncia, lucky but unlucky, the ones that act fake it can make them uncomfortable. Footnote to the tiger ppl wife and her brother just remided me why I love em.so much. They’re so lively lol, they simply feel wonderful they do.muah:-* to tiger ppl lol

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Taylor (36) (@chabalamp) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@drunkmonkmeth, but that’s what I mean. I don’t think our actions define who we are because I think that everything is a result of cause and effect.

@flynnstone, I definitely see what you mean. But instead of seeing that person as a bad person, I see them as a person with bad intentions.

@joenafoshi, I already addressed that it was a contradiction, haha. But maybe it’s just there for measurement. Like the concept of perfection. There’s nobody who is truly perfect in everyone’s eyes, but we still use that adjective…does that make sense?

@christopherrbrooke, Well instead of thinking that guy was a bad person, why not think along the lines of what made him that way..?

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Alex (27) (@brainnectar) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@chabalamp If we think sex and murder are bad today, but we evolutionary characteristics tells us to procreate as much as possible, and kill living things for food and fuel…. Are we still inherently bad?

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Obviously, you’re not a golfer (604) (@donjaime23) 4 years, 8 months ago ago
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Taylor (36) (@chabalamp) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@brainnectar, I don’t think we’re inherently bad. Because of advances in society today, I don’t think there are any primitive motives for those things (maybe just sex but not rape or murder)
So I believe that anyone who rapes or murders, or if they have sex with a lot of people
it could be a result of trauma or something.

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Kip Goeing (91) (@kipgoeing) 4 years, 8 months ago ago

@chabalamp, You skipped the more important question which is, do good and bad truly exist?

There is no universal good or bad. Just like there is no universal left and right. Your right is my left. Your left is my right. If you perceive that the majority stands with you, then you probably think my “right” is wrong. That’s how the world works.

So, do good people truly exist? No, and yes. No, because badness is relative. Yes, because there are always people with values which are opposite your own.

What if you could go back to the holocaust and make a fork in time. In one timeline, Hitler succeeds, in the other, he fails. Now skip forward 1000 years. In Hitler’s timeline, humans are a super race with advanced sciences. Hop over to our timeline 1000 years post-holocaust. Imagine everyone in this timeline is dead because our world was too disordered, we fucked up the earth’s climate, we didn’t allow genetic testing because we decided it was inhumane, we let everyone’s genetics mix together, sickly people and dumb people survived by taking advantage of the system and kept breeding, tainting the genes of the normal population with their sickly and stupid genes and, as a result, no one ever became smart enough to come up with the ideas that might have saved us from planetary devastation, perhaps from an asteroid, or a pathogen, or a runaway greenhouse effect.

If you could see both of these timelines, would you still call Hitler evil? Because he valued humanity more than he valued humans?

Imagine if you knew about what was going to happen on 9/11/01. You had all the evidence, but the terrorist were holding your family and would kill them if you presented the authorities with your evidence. Let’s say they were holding you daughter, spouse, brother, mother and nephew. Five people. Let’s say you know full-well that 3000 people are gonna die if you don’t do anything, but you don’t know any of them. What would you do? Save the people you know and love? Or save 3000 people you don’t know.

If you would chose to save the 3000 people and let you family die, you are the same as Hitler. You decided that humanity was more important than actual humans. You value the idea of people more than you value actual people. To you, numbers are more important than names.

But how can you call either decision good or bad? What universal law tells us which choice is right?

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