Do you contradict yourself and how do you justify it?
Ex.) you say you love animals but you also eat them.
Ex.) You don’t believe in God but you pray when you feel lost.
Ex,) Your motto is to stay true to yourself but you believe in changing who you are for the better.
(If you think of better ones you can post them, I can’t think of that many right now)
Is contradiction good, even necessary sometimes? Do you feel comfortable holding two opposing viewpoints at once and how do you justify these viewpoints to yourself and others?
I don’t think my eating animals contradicts the fact that I love them, it is simply another aspect of my love. I love to eat them too
I’m pretty sure everyone contradicts themselves sometimes, and its not really good or bad. I guess I justify my contradictions by just simply being there. Some of them I notice and tell myself “well I shouldn’t have done/said that” but that allows me to improve. I’m only human and no matter how much I strive, perfection doesn’t exist.
@emmaclaire, i actually caught myself praying the other day. i was praying to A God to help someone lose their ego and help them become a decent human being. and then i was like “wait a minuuuuuuute. that’s silly! c:” (cause I don’t believe in a God, not because believing in a God is silly. I respect your views!) so then instead, I pictured the person with a loving heart and them destroying their ego. and I kind of just smiled and said to myself, “I hope.”
@avernus, If someone else ate you would you respect that as them loving you?
What do you mean you justify them by simply being there? Could you elaborate?
To everyone: I should clarify my original question. Do you contradict yourself without seeing anything wrong with it. Also, this is by no means limited to the examples I posted. It could be all sorts of stuff.
Part of the reason I am asking this is because I’m going through some personal stuff and am wondering if it is okay to have many sides to myself, all that are equally me, that aren’t really cohesive, if that makes sense.
@biancavila, Thanks for the respect but I don’t necessarily believe in a god either, at least not in the traditional sense. :)
I think what you were doing just has to do with intent. Praying, visualizing, wishing, asking the universe, etc. your point would have been the same. Wishing better for that person.
Do you feel that you have achieved ego death? When/how did this happen? Are you a happier, better version of yourself and have you still been able to retain most aspects of yourself? Just wanting to hear your story. You don’t have to share if you don’t want to.
@emmaclaire, ohh, i was just directing that towards anybody.
I think so too. It kinda helped me feel better..
Mmmm, not completely yet. But it’s a pretty long story. But here’s an abridged version:
I was a straight A student. Depression, anxiety, alla that good stuff, and then I got narcolepsy. Ended up not being able to go to school due to lack of energy and Excessive Daytime Sleepiness. Smoked some weed, and it kind of just happened on its own.
I don’t think I can answer that quite yet. I’m on summer break, so I haven’t been around too many people other than my mom and dad lately. There are actually times where I’ve felt that I’ve completely lost my ability to recognize myself and that I was doing the things I was doing, so i’ve been spending a lot of time trying to understand and change that. I’m in the process of figuring things out, but I think I’m headed in a pretty positive direction!
Trying to eat a healthier and more suitable diet for me. I’ve also just been paying attention to my mind and body more. But I was very very angry and resentful, and one day I just woke up and it was gone. and it was the first time i truly ever loved living and being alive. and now that I’ve felt that, there’s absolutely no way that I can go back and do damage to myself like I did before.
But thank you for taking interest. I appreciate that(:
@emmaclaire, I don’t contradict myself in ways that I realize. If I knew it, I’d stop doing it.
As for your animal example:
It’s possible to be compassionate towards animals yet still eat them because it’s what your body needs. It’s the circle of life. Of course that animal has to be raised and treated the way it’s supposed to, with care and respect. This is only a contradiction if, say, you “love” your dog, but then you go ahead and eat industrial farmed meat because you don’t give a shit about how the animal lived or all of its suffering as long as you don’t need to see it. That’s a contradiction, and your “love” is probably really some sort of self-centered attachment to the dog. There’s a lot of flaws in the idea that you cannot be compassionate towards animals and eat them.
This question immediately made me think of a Gandhi quote I really enjoy: “Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony.”
Happiness and the life we want to get to is possible if we bring that sentence to life. I believe as we grow we often contradict ourselves, while figuring out who we truly are. So I would say yes, it is necessary. But eventually, in my humble opinion, one must learn to be bold and act, believe, say, and think in harmony to achieve their lives goals/dreams.
Like the thread. Have been going on this website for quite a while and this is my first post. So, hello everyone haha.
@mikeyw829, Yeah. Really good points! I was referring to caring about pets and eating meat from animals you know have been treated inhumanely and being okay with it. But that isn’t the point of my topic exactly. I typed up those examples pretty fast because I had to leave for work. How about this one.
You like animals.
You believe animals are treated unfairly and meat production is unsustainable.
You really like being healthy and sustainable.
So you start riding your bike and walking to work.
You also don’t have a lot of money.
You start losing weight because of so much exercise but no access to cheap protein.
UNLESS you start eating meat.
If you spend more money on healthy vegetarian foods, you will not have enough money for rent.
But you can pick up extra shifts, but this may mean driving your car to work unless you give up some sleep to take the time to walk.
If you give up sleep, this will not be healthy for you.
I could go on. Basically you have conflicting viewpoints and at some point you may have to sacrifice some priorities for others. If you start eating meat, you are contradicting your viewpoint unless you drop or ignore it.
@journeytoparadise, Hey, I’m honored that your first post was on my thread! ;)
I really like that quote. I used to think like that too. But lately I have noticed that there are aspects of me that kind of compete with each other and I don’t know how to make them coexist or whether I have to drop some at the risk of not being completely true to myself, if that makes sense.
@emmaclaire, it was an interesting topic, couldn’t resist!
Guess it really depends on what “aspects” you are talking about. it does seem like quite the human thing to do to contradict what we initially think in our heads. I just think it’s hard to form a real, true identity if one has aspects to them that contradict one another.
@emmaclaire, Nice example.
I’m really beginning to see that the conceptual mind has its limitations. There are plenty of people who have rigid ideologies of what is right and wrong. I don’t think it works that way. It’s much more complex than our thinking minds can grasp. This type of rigid ideology tends to override the true needs of the body, and many people deny even to themselves that they feel a certain way if it contrasts with their views of the world. Look at most vegetarians.
The needs of your body will never steer you wrong, and not just with food. Sure, those needs might contradict a lot of the beliefs people have about what is “right” and “wrong,” but the body is operating from a higher intelligence.
So in your example, if I was in that situation and I craved meat for my sustenance, I’d eat it. To deny my needs at the expense of an ideology is what is unnatural and evil. It’s not evil to eat meat in that situation. The rightness of the choice is much more complex than the all encompassing view that it is “bad to eat meat.”
@mikeyw829, I agree, it is really complex. That is kind of what I am getting at… Are human beings so complex that at some point to even function as human beings we must hold opposing views at the same time? But (and this is debatable) you are sacrificing the well-being of other living things for the sake of yourself. I guess it depends on what you value most.
It’s supposedly a sign of genius, to be able to compare two opposites.
I contradict myself all the time–it makes me seem somewhat flaky, but it’s because I can see things from all sorts of perspectives. One person’s wrong is another person’s right. It’s really subjective.
My perspective is all I know though–so everything rides on how I’m feeling that day. I create my own reality…so I can only do what I believe is moral and right. :)
@biancavila, Best of luck on your journey! You seem like you have you are really figuring it out.
I thought I did too but I’ve been having an identity crisis lately and I almost feel like an “enlightened” life can’t really be sustained… like I am denying my human nature? Because I think I have been giving love and acceptance and all that and denying the fact that I really do have negative emotions sometimes and I cannot keep letting them well up inside me. And can I really even make a difference in the world and promote peace and love if I am so docile that I let people walk all over me, so much so that no one listens? (This isn’t necessarily directed at you Bianca.)
@emmaclaire, lmao… i was thinking about starting a tread about this 2 days ago but didnt because i couldnt remember any of my deep contradictions… yea im also a walking contradiction but i still cant remember any atm. i only remember them when i catch my self acting on them… as soon as i remember ill post them here
It’s hard to explain, I have really bad ADD so I bounce from one thought to another. I may say that I believe in humanity, then remember a lot of instances where humanity is failing and say the exact opposite.
I may say that having roommates is awesome for x, y, z reasons…but then remember a, b, c reasons why I hate having roommates and change my mind. I flip flop on a daily basis, depending on how intensely I think about something. It’s like having a pros and cons list for everything, and agreeing with both in part.
Obviously the idea doesn’t apply to EVERYTHING… (cough bigbanks cough politics cough child abuse…) Does that all make sense?