I just watched this video which shows how massive the universe is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7wNQw12l8 It raised many questions as you can imagine. One of these questions i thought to myself was being as there are billions of planets and stars in a galaxy and there are countless billions of galaxies in the universe, we have to assume that we are not the only form of life. I mean due to the sheer uncomprehensible size of the universe it would be nieve to believe we are the only form of life. Therefore i thought as humans are so insignificant in the universe, why would God care about what me or you did and if we believed in him etc. Religious people preach about how God knows each one of us personally and cares for us, but is this just wishful thinking as surely we mean nothing to him, as we are like a speck of dust in the universe. Do you know what i mean? I’m athiest by the way.
I have heard christians say that the idea that god “knows each one of us personally” is even more incredible because of our comparative insignificance. You could argue either way, I don’t think the vastness of the universe has any bearing on whether or not there is a god.
I was atheist too, but now I tend to believe in God. I believe in God who is the creator and observer.
Do I believe in that God send his son to condemn our sin? I don’t believe that.
I don’t believe that god can manipulate us in any form.
I don’t think he can help us in any form neither.
It likes God is the audience who sitting at God’s home and watching us playing a soccer. As a soccer player, you don’t hear any word from your audience but you know there it’s an audience who keep watching us.
I just believe we are part of God, and I don’t think we will know who is God or what is God soon. Maybe God just means energy, ether, higg boson or whatever scientific thing that we will finally discover.
It’s common fallacy that just because you can’t produce evidence for something, that it must not exist. Any arguments based on the “Well God doesn’t exist because there isn’t any evidence” are invalid.
Everyone knew light existed before there was actual evidence for photons.
If you are an atheist, what evidence would you accept in order to prove the existence of god?
if you are religious, what evidence would you accept in order to prove the non-existence of god?
I like what WJ had to say. There has to be a god, maybe its the connection with everyone, who knows, I always say believe what you want to believe.
Well, technically, it doesn’t matter how huge the Universe is, God could have a personal relationship and sit down for tea every week with every single being on every single planet orbiting every single star.
He is God after all.
If you believe there is a god, you will see God in everything. But if you don’t believe in a god, you will see proof of that in everything. So one person could look at how vast the universe is and say there is no way a god exists. While another person could see the same picture/video and marvel at the wonders God created.
Considering the universe is so vast, and atoms are considered probabilities, then the bigger the Universe only means more probabilities, so the probability a god exists goes up due to its epicness.
@phil, we all know that, “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”
I’ve said many times, if you can describe to me a color-what it looks like, I will buy that argument. You can’t always explain experience in a neat little bow for someone else.
Another misconception about god, is that everyone assumes its a ‘person’ and cares ‘specifically’ what you do.
I one to believe that God literally IS all things that are, was or ever will be. Something above and beyond the scope of a normal minds ability to grasp in it’s entirety, simply because it is your entire mind, bod, and soul, plus some. As extensions of God we examine ourselves and the world around us. In a sense, it’s like sitting and thinking about yourself, looking in a mirror, and running tests on yourself. We are the thoughts and fingers of God reaching out and exploring and understanding Ourself.
As limited beings we have a limited view on everything. As there is no concrete evidence for or against the existence of God can only mean one thing, someone is concealing it, and well, better than any human influence ever could.
The same old repeating discussion over and over again.
I will explain it once.
You will never be able to proof or disproof the existence of God, and you know why?
Because it is something one BELIEVES in!!!
I believe that I will have a happy and prosper life. Can you proof this for me? Can you disproof this for me??
It is so stupid to ask whether God exists or not. It is only a matter of BELIEF!
Another discussion is the fact what the word ‘God’ means for one another, because I can imagine everybody has his/her own definition of the word ‘God’. Just like everybody has his/her own definition of the word love etc.
With big questions like these, I like to counter with “Does it matter?” There is no way we can ever know, and if one day we can know, then excellent! Otherwise, it doesn’t matter…. No sense in worrying or arguing about it.
@Alex-“the bigger the Universe only means more probabilities, so the probability a god exists goes up due to its epicness.”
Actually the number of possibilities could be said to be infinite, making the probability go down. The odds (probability) of rolling a 1 on a 20 sided dice is lower than the odds of rolling a 1 on a six sided dice.
@Keenan-“If you are an atheist, what evidence would you accept in order to prove the existence of god? if you are religious, what evidence would you accept in order to prove the non-existence of god?” Powerful questions. I like it!
I think that believing in the existence of God and proving his existence are two different things.
One can believe in many things, but belief only does not make them exist in the world/ universe, it only makes them exist in our mind, and therefore we start to see proofs of their existence and look up for arguments to support that.
Existence means different things to different people. For positivists for instance, the only things that exist are those that can be measured.
For fervent Christians, muslims, religous people that is, the existence of God is unquestionable, they are lead by their feelings that can substitute rational thinking at some point.
So, determining what existence is, is a tricky matter for which we can probably never find an answer.
Belief on the other hand, does not need proofs. I believe that music is capable of building peace in societies. I don’t need to prove that, since it gives meaning to what I do with music. I think the same applied to people who believe in God. It doesn’t really matter if the essence of what they believe in can or can not be proved as long as it gives meaning to what they do.
Now, to answer your question about the vastness of the universe and how that somehow proves the unexistence of God. Well, I don’t think it proves anything other than itself. We only know parts of the truth, pieces of what is, so we can’t possibly prove the existence or unexsitence of something based on something else , the essence of which we can not totally grasp.
How did we come to realize that the universe in infinite?
How can we prove that this knoweldge is not partial?
How can we be sure that we we know is real? that is reflects reality?
What is reality ? what is existence? How can we know that that which is real is real, and that which is not real is not ?
We as in mankind? Unfortunately I do not think this will ever be possible. We make judgements each and every day. The art is to do this as little as possible. At discussion forums like these it is easier to control yourself, since you have time to re read your reply before posting it, however in real life once you have said something you cannot press the delete button anymore.
Or did you refer to judgements in my posts?
It would be great to reach such a point. I for example, try to watch and observe myself in discussions, and see at which times I get personal and at which times I stick to the point of the discussion. The more emotiones get involved in the discussion, or the more a ‘sensitive snare’ is being touched, the more difficult it is to stay objective and stick to the point of the discussion.
But I have seen that it already helps a lot to get into a discussion with a positive attitude, no matter what the discussion will be about. But then again a positive attitude is always helpful in any kind of situation.