Here is some philosophical thought.
Everything you can think of can actually be possible, because of the fact that you can think of it. If you would not be able to think of it, it would not be possible, but because of the fact that you can think of it, it must be possible, otherwise you would not be able to think of it.
What I mean is: if the neural connections in our brain create a certain thought, this has had to come from somewhere. This thought has been born out of something, because it is not possible to be born out of nothing, that goes against all laws of physics. So where did this thought come from, and why did this specific thought arise, and not some other thought? How would it be possible that something you think of, would not be possible?
Because of these possibilities, we have been able to evolve as a specie, to create and discover new things, and always there are things we think are impossible, while generations later our descendants proof us to be wrong. Is that not ironic?
But then, if this would be true, it would mean that all these idea’s we have, about physics, about biology, about evolution, about nature etc., COULD be true, because of the fact that we were able to generate those idea’s.
@filipek, Yea I think about this occasionally and I just had my first lsd experience a couple nights ago and realized reality is simply the unfolding of every possibility. Everything you can possibly think of (or even can’t), at least exists as a thought, so when people say they see/ think of something but it isn’t real, they mean more so that it doesn’t currently exist before them in the physical realm. I feel everything you can possibly imagine holds some physical possibility of existing at some point. Every possibility exists at any given time but there is only one moment so they must wait their turn. The logical path to those possibilities happening has to take place first as well.
There are obviously some obstacles with this being a unanimous certainty, but there was striking insight in the bible that made me think about this concept a while back. It talks about the fact that heaven, like God, is beyond our capability to imagine or understand without imploding. So if there are things we just will never be able to think of ever, does that suggest, as you said, that what we CAN think of and imagine we can create?
This isn’t me relying on the word of the bible to define our existence, but I found it interesting that they mentioned a concept like that.
@filipek, – a thought is created out of nothing–>God creates
– a thought is created out of combining existent learned knowledge–>book
– a thought is created out of combining or accessing existent higher knowledge–>inspiration
In fact everything is most of the time other people’s or your own inspiration. Ideas can be true because we can think of it. Yes they CAN be true, they also CAN be false, just as people can lie about the truth or just be deceived by illusion. If a source of inspiration is beyond this reality, it can be yourselves or someone else’s (if you believe in for example spirits or even telepathy), but because we don’t know the exact source of ideas, we can not have a solid theory that is foolproof. We can only have a theory that CAN be true or not.
In fact there are so many things that exist that we can not think of because our capacity is not beyond and further YET (maybe when we become One in Eternity we know what we could not have imagined to be real at forehand), so the things we can not think of can actually be possible without us knowing it. And the things we think are true can also be illusion of truth. It is all a matter of what you believe to be true to you or to common accepted society. Maybe we even in some cases create reality because of what we believe.
For so many people the world was flat, and they really believed the world to be flat, was it true for this reality in our existence on planet earth? No, was it an idea? Yes. But perhaps there is an reality that is flat somewhere, just as an idea..where would that idea come from? It was just an illusion of the horizon line.
We people tend to link proximity to causality, which in fact does not have to be the case. Evolution seems so logical, yet if we believe in creation, we see for example that a table does not evolve in a chair, and wood does not evolve in a chair, it is created. If a chair could talk to a table would they say they are created or they are evolved? What we don’t see does not mean it doesn’t exist, and because we don’t see everything and what we see can be illusion, we can not make ideas about reality that are totally foolproof. But it CAN be true or not.
@jaethedream, Spot on! The biggest mystery for me is, where these thoughts come from. I mean, how is a thought born, where does it rely on. If it is some past experience, it would mean that we have experienced this situation already, but when if not in this life and/or this reality/realm? If it is not based on some past experience, then how is it born? Where does the thought base its logic/reasoning on? Or do we just posses all the possible knowledge, and our thoughts are simply memories coming back in some way?
@optimystic, If it would only be that simple I would not be asking myself these questions. Though I love your attitude!
@grandkintaro777, There are some hardcore yogi’s who supposedly are already able to do these things. I have no scientific proof for this though, but if you want to have some experiential, empirical proof I advise you to go to India and visit some baba’s (this is the kind of proof I prefer myself)
@lytning91, “””So if there are things we just will never be able to think of ever, does that suggest, as you said, that what we CAN think of and imagine we can create?”””
That is exactly what I am thinking! I mean, there must be a reason for the fact that we can think of the things we can think of, right? And time after time, history proves how unthinkable and unimaginable thinks, at a certain time period, become reality in the future! Therefore I think it is quite short sighted to say that some things are not possible per definition. The fact that these things are not possible at this very moment, does not mean that they will never be possible. For me this gives more reason to believe that the things we are capable to imagine, are and/or will be possible some day.
@heartbeat, But then define your concept of ‘God’ and ‘inspiration’ for me. Where does inspiration come from? What is the actual source of it?
And if I see or believe in something, it is no illusion for me, it is my truth. But that is a matter of perception, and it is another discussion.
I am simply wondering the power and source of our thoughts, and what we are capable of doing with it. If we are not capable to think of something, then it does not exist, per definition. Therefore, our thoughts must be interconnected with the universe in some kind of way, meaning that everything we can think of, IS in some way possible to exist in the Universe. Does that sound far fetched?
@filipek, I like this. Even things such as Heaven, God (in any sense), the size of the Universe, numbers beyond a billion, etc may be extremely difficult to wrap our heads around riiiight nowwwww, but is that a necessary limitation? Or is it a failure of the brain? Maybe we are currently capable of expressing such things in a thought, fully, and the problem is that we are constantly holding ourselves back? Maybe a future being could fathom such things with ease. I wonder…
@kkainoa, My thoughts as well. And the funny things is, that even though we do not understand certain concepts or certain definitions of things, we all do know what those definitions or concepts mean (like for example infinity). However, certain concepts like God, are not as simply explained, but still, even though we cannot explain these concepts by practical examples, we do understand each other. This must mean something more huh?
@filipek, where does wrong thought come from? Whatever is true for someone is true in their reality but what about the reality of physics and law and the way things really are. What we think that is wrong, (like the world is flat) will create circumstances where reality works along the lines of your thought if your thought is acted on. But if that thought is wrong then it cannot be possible in reality, reality will work in the only way it can, only in the mind of the observer and can create some “negetive” repercussions, like false maps drawn of the world, fear to explore to far, etc.
Just like if you believe false tales about how to improve your body and health, it starts off as a thought but then manifests in the result of very poor health and a bad mind body connection.
Every thought must be possible but according to basic laws – and we probably cannot comprehend or understand all of these laws yet. What are your thoughts??
And what do you mean exactly by “per definition?”
@filipek, I like this thought: “Or do we just posses all the possible knowledge, and our thoughts are simply memories coming back in some way?”
I’ll try to think of something to say about this.
Also this: “Therefore, our thoughts must be interconnected with the universe in some kind of way, meaning that everything we can think of, IS in some way possible to exist in the Universe.”
I’m going to leave quantum interpretations out of the mix because I don’t want to flub it up. All I know is that the universe is gigantic (just the visible parts). And although the whole thing may be under the restrictions of some physical laws (to say nothing of any laws yet undiscovered), that says nothing of the laws governing other “bubble universes.”
@deej, From what you said I understand that by wrong thought you mean a thought classifying something that is not possible, right? Not a wrong thought as in a judgement about something, right?
I think we can never know whether a thought is wrong or not (based on the first definition), it can only be wrong in a certain reality on a certain time, but that does not mean that it is wrong in general.
Sure, there are physical rules in nature, but that is only the reality we are living in right now, the dimensions as we know it right now.
But then where does this thought come from? Where does a ‘wrong’ thought about a ‘false’ reality come from? How is it born?
I do not know how to explain it, or even how to comprehend it, because in nature, reaction is a cause of a certain action. In that way every thought (reaction) should have been a reaction to a former action, but then which action is that? It does not start to exist out of nothing, there has to be a cause for the thought to be born in the first place.
With ‘per definition’ in this context I meant to say that you exclude something without any doubt.
@kkainoa, Exactly! The Universe is just a small part of the infinite amount of Universes being part of it, and of the infinity of everything. How to even comprehend that?
@xetado, ‘Reality is a subgroup of Possible. Not otherwise.’
I agree! So then the question is, how to find out about the things we do not know? And what determines the speed of us finding out new things/discovering new things? How is it possible that in the last 150 years we have discovered so much more (technologically speaking) than in the 1500 years before that?
(@filipek) Well thoughts already exist, even without some physical manifestation. Why do we make a distinction between what is real and what is not real? We can make a distiction between what is material and what isn’t but you are right, we would not even be able to say something is not real if we could not concieve the concept of what it is exactly that we are calling not real and if it can possibly exist as that concept in our minds then it simply exists.
@trek79, “Well thoughts already exist, even without some physical manifestation”
What do you mean with a physical manifestation? Thoughts never become physical, I mean, thoughts remain thoughts (energy? waves? vibrations? who knows). Or do you mean the transformation of thoughts into action?
Either way, thoughts have to be born out of somewhere right? What happens before a new thought in your mind appears as to create that thought?
For something to become real, it does not necessarily need to be material in my opinion. Love is real, anger is real, sadness is real, but it is not material.
“Why do we make a distinction between what is real and what is not real?”
That is one of my questions as well. But then, if all our thoughts are real, that would mean that everything is real, and nothing is unreal? Only the things that we cannot think of are unreal, but since those things do not exist, they cannot be unreal either, or can they?
@filipek, I said “without physical manifestation” not “with”, I mean even though they are not physical they still exist.
Anything we can think of is real as a thought, as thoughts are real. We can make the distinction between the tangible and the intangible, the physical and the non-physical, the material and the immaterial, but there is no such thing as a distinction between the real and the unreal.
Basically you say that if we can think it up then it is possible, but saying that is suggesting that it could be real because we can think it, I am saying that because we think it it is already real.
@trek79, Yes, because we can think it is already real, I agree. But what about the level of manifestation? Do you think that if we can think of something, we are also always able to transform that thought into action? Or do you believe that some thoughts will only stay thoughts, and never become other reality than simply thoughts? So how do we know which thoughts will always stay only thoughts and which thoughts will transform into some other reality?
@filipek, That is a good question, how many of our thoughts can be made manifest into application? I know Plato said “An idea has no power to create the corresponding concrete block” and that has a lot of scientific merit, thoughts will always be just thoughts we can only try to mould our actions to the image we have in our minds.
But then there is thought-form http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulpa something I can’t completely dismiss as my culture, Australian Aboriginal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamtime has a lot of similar kinds of beliefs, how the spirit world and the dream state are one and the same, that the dream is not so much non-reality as it is more a primal reality or the basis for what reality eminates from. A form that physically exists in the waking world had its beginings in the Dreaming.
This is a lot of mythology of my culture but it is something I actually believe despite it not being fully endorsed in a scientific sense, that is just my identity and I do not allow it to interfer with my attempts on objectivity, I kinda live a double life like that.
It’ s funny, i write exactly the same thing on my blog! I would like to explain but i’m French and it’s difficult to explain what i have in mind in English…
But i think ideas come from another “dimension”, the “dimension of all the positibitlies” and i think that all dimensions are paralleles so if one thing exists in the first dimension, this thing also exists in the second dimension but not in the same energies maybe.
For example, if a book exists in one diemnsion, in the other dimension: paper, pen, computer, story, author will also existed in this dimension to create the book that existing in the first dimension.
If there are French people, here a link where you can read more about my reflexion:
@trek79, I have to disagree with Plato and agree with the Tulpa concept. Everything is build out of atoms right? So are our thoughts. Every materialistic concept is just a certain arrangement of these atoms in a certain way. If we would have the power to change these arrangement, we could basically make everything out of everything. This would mean, that our thoughts would be able to materialize as well. This is going a little bit in the direction of alchemy, turning lead into gold, and in theory it is possible, so why would it not be possible in practice as well? The fact that we do not own the proficient knowledge to do so, does not mean that it will never be possible in the future as well.
Dreams are very interesting as well, just as mystical as thoughts in my opinion. When we will be able to explore these realms and dimensions, I think we will acquire a lot of new very insightful and interesting knowledge.
@aleen, How do you define other dimensions? Can you conceptualize and/or explain in words what for you the fifth dimension means? These concepts are so extremely difficult to grasp for our minds, although very interesting for sure!
about God: The Creator of All Worlds, the Source, Peace, Love, Truth, Mercy, All Knowing, All Seeing, All Hearing, Most Forgiving, and more of course to remember/know.
THe actual source is God, and the indirect source is Gods creatures: inspiration is a stream or channel of everything a soul ones (will) experience(d), known, feels, sees, hears, past, present, future, and beyond, and is connected to: other souls, spirits, ancestors, places, other creatures, visions, dreams, realities, dimensions, natural phenomena, your body. The closer the experience to the soul, the more prominent the source of inspiration, the more prominent those thoughts. Because we are connected to the Source we potentially can think of anything and everything can be possible.
Everything can be possible, but because we don’t want what we fear the most, that must be an illusion, meaning you can “wake up” from it. Fear, believe creates realities, is giving force to thoughts, is the power of thoughts can shape, create, destroy realities. Truth is whatever makes you beyond happy. This worlds reality truth is whatever you sense with your restricted senses of the human body.
In that way a theory can be possible or not, it depends on whether you believe, fear it. To attract something to this reality means one has to really believe, fear something and it has to be really strong. And yes it works, but there are so many unconscious forces at the same time and things are not always as you exactly imagined somehow. Meaning one only has the restricted power one has been given. And the Source of power is God.
Hope this helps, bye!
@heartbeat, Yes, but when everything is interconnected, that would mean that everybody and everything shares the same knowledge, right? So why is it, that certain individuals ‘remember’ certain knowledge and others do not? And why do you remember this specific knowledge and not something else? What triggers that?
@filipek, so you say I can walk through walls because I am able to imagine myself doing so? It might very well be that your point is true, but you can never proof it. This somehow reminds me of the problem of decidability :D
@andropar, In theory for sure. You know that your body exists more of the ’empty’ spaces between atoms than actually atoms itself? Meaning that you are actually quite hollow and massless. I am sure that with the appropriate techniques we will be able to do these kind of things in the future.
I cannot prove it, but there are a lot of things I cannot prove, but who simply are and/or in which you simply believe. I cannot prove love to you, but I believe in love.