I was just thinking about how dinosaurs and all that other good stuff roamed the earth millions and millions of years before we were even close to existing.
Obviously I related it to God and purpose etc. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that dinosaurs and all those prehistoric beings didnt really have religion per say, purpose, or even a consciousness level to percieve thoughts about greater things.
I began to wonder what the purpose of all it was… Then I realized. Duh… oil, gas, coal, and all that other good stuff makes that makes the world go round essentially came from these beings…. So in a way they had a quite a giant purpose in propogating our lives…
just a thought i wanted to share… thoughts?
This reminds me of something I was pondering recently. Why did we evolve to have a consciousness? The great white shark hasn’t evolved in forEVER because it is “the perfect killer”, but it, as far as we know, does not have a consciousness. Do you think this is because it’s a lone creature rather than a social one(like us)?
Interesting stuff. I’ve thought in similar ways before, but never quite like this. Like, if everything has a purpose, and that purpose has something to do with humans, everything before us took place in order for us to do what we do.
And what if our only purpose is to be the fuel for the vehicles of some future beings?
Makes me think of this classic:
Haha, wow, Em at first glance that just looked like a harmless “I’m opening my mind” statement but then the imagery of a brain spreading its legs crept into my head and along with it came scenarios and thoughts that would make Freud pass out.
Moving oooon, it is always dizzying to think about where we have come from and where we are headed as a race. Assuming we are safe from mass extinction I always wonder what evolutionary changes we will slowly go through. What will we gain? What will we lose? Will we eventually return somewhat to the real animals and cut out all unnecessary activities leaving only those crucial to survival?
I believe that we evolved to have a consciousness due to the fact that our physical bodies have limitations. Other predatory species will always be faster, and stronger so we needed to evolve in a way to become smarter. To supplement our physical limits with an ever increasing limitless mind.
LMAO!!! Wow I would kill to be able to hang out with you all. That was hilarious.
Mat, that’s a possibility, but I don’t find it likely, because we used to be that. Then our brains kept growing and we evolved past any physical danger(as far as predators go)… So consciousness almost seems like an extra thing. Or maybe it was a necessary piece of being capable of evolving past the danger or predators? It seems counter intuitive to think that we would evolve out of it since we evolved into it but then again, maybe not, because what if it ends up being more of a hindrance than a help as far as survival of our species goes? Would we still have wars without consciousnesses? These questions always just lead to more questions, haha. What do you guys think?
I don’t know too much about evolution, but I do know we adapt to survive. I just hope we don’t need a massive threat to evolve us into a higher consciousness (if possible). =)
@em – I’m totally using that line the next time I meet someone who says something awesome!
@damion Well, those threats are already here. What about nuclear weapons and warmongers? Severe climate changes? Ecosystem failure? Overpopulation? Or the eventual death of our solar system? All the doomsday prophecies and such?
There are lots of threats, there always are. Safety doesn’t exist, it’s a made up concept, you could die any second from something unexpected. There is always danger, and there are ways of dealing with it, but you can’t hide or escape from it.
To me it seems like evolution is speeding up again. I think it’s related.
I don’t know… I think it’s about the experience. It’s so mind boggling. Either way we’re just a microblip of something that we can’t even begin to grasp our brains around. There are mini universes everywhere… we are part of something so much larger than us…that we’re completely unaware of… just like the cells in your body don’t have the consciousness to be aware of “you” (or maybe they do :)). But in the midst of EVERYTHING going on in the universe throughout eternity…we have this privledge to be “aware” of ourselves & be able to “experience” things. All kinds of things! I think it’s so exciting!
Our species is so fucked right now.. wow we just kill the shit out of each other…we treat each other horribly. I hope as a species we grow out of this shit. But to think of what will come after us that we may possibly be providing for in the future… whoa.. mental overload :)
@Mathew– sorry to freak you out :)
@em, you’re going to have to try muuuch harder than that to freak/gross/weird me out. But you did blindside me, which I commend you for:) Just keep spreading those mental legs for the pursuit of spiritual growth. My brain is a whore for enlightenment.
If we can’t figure out where our consciousness comes from (if anyone tries to say they know you deserve a slow death) then how do we know other creatures don’t have consciousness? shit how do we know a lump of coal doesn’t have consciousness?
we can’t. we can’t know anything, we can only interpret.
@anon – this was in the news today. maybe animals do have consciousness?!?! lol crazy article.
i think about that all the time. dinosaurs is to us as humans are to??? crazy but thing that gets me the most bout that thought is that we actually utilized space, built buildings, cars, planes. so if a later species was to actually inhabit the earth in lets say like 10,000 years
(pause: can you imagine what life would be like in year 16000!?!?!?!? 14,000 years from now? that’s insane. :unpause)
all the space and natural resources would be used up. we will have left a giant footprint on planet earth, something none of our predecessors could have ever done.
@anon We have all have to acknowledge that we really know nothing. I love those questions that really never have a true answer. We will never know for sure what does and does not have a consciousness, because we will never be able to see through the eyes or think through the mind of a cat/dog/flower. . .
How do we know that what we label and agree to be a consciousness, that other organisms don’t have something different that could be considered their consciousness. Yes, there are scientific ways to measure many occurrences in our world that have provided much insight into out lives and our reality, but the measurements are analyzed only in our own realm of understanding. We can only understand and imagine information based on our own experiences where there may be infinite ways to see the world outside our own realm of understanding.