In going over the main points in my mind, I’ve worked myself into a burning rage. I’ll take a walk later to cool my head, but for now, I’m pissed.
Going over some of my old posts on the subject of taking and legalizing drug, I think I’ve pinpointed what makes me so angry about the subject. People who are substance abusers don’t really bother me. Shooting heroin or smoking weed have no real effect on me if that’s the criteria we’re going by. What gets under my skin is that most people I begrudgingly know who are substance abusers want me to partake in recreational drugs along side them. Let me make this clear: Drugs are not the answer to all of life’s problems. I can’t even say they are the answer to any of life’s problems. If you want to be public with your weakness, that’s your problem. But I have no interest in being like you. I hate people like you. People like you disgust me. What makes you think that I want to be like you. I can only assume that the people here who are promising that the abundance of drugs in the world will solve problems are trying to be funny or satirical, because otherwise, I have to assume you’re suffering from some form of psychosis, possibly brought on by years of smoking weed.
I’m just getting more and more pissed the more I think about how people want me to be a substance abuser like them (and believe me, I know people who want this), so I’ll sum it up like this: Don’t involve me in your weakness, and quit trying to promote something that’s making me so angry.
OK, well the promotion speaks for itself, so I see no issue there so long as you are aware of the facts of the matter (at least for weed…I think basically everyone knows that most of the chemically-synthesized, ‘hard’ stuff is bad for everyone).
I don’t see how you can hate anyone for being themselves though. The nature of a beast like that IS to seek out connection, because if you take someone who legitimately has an addiction to something (you can’t really say addiction in the normal sense for weed, but most of the other stuff you can) you are going to find them weak and alone. This fact is probably what drove them to do it in the first place, and the only reason they are seeking to push the drug onto you is because they are just having a hard time relating to anyone anymore. Everytime someone who REALLY abuses (you can’t really abuse weed) drugs reaches out to you like that, there’s more to it than just an attempt to corrupt you. They thought drugs could cure the loneliness…it just made it numb for a little while, but now they are fighting to even stay afloat against the currents of addiction.
Don’t hate people for being weak, love them and try to help them. I agree that some people just cannot be helped, but anger doesn’t solve anything for you or them. Love them, even if it is passive, because maybe your lack of judgment will one day be just enough for them to reconsider the path which they have chosen.
Well it’s obvious that you have no experience with the drugs you’re so ignorantly lumping together. Don’t be angry that other humans are trying to share the experience of life with you–perhaps you’re just scared and angry from realizing how long and elaborately you’ve been fooled by society.
That’s the problem with fear, it has blocked you so deep into the corner that facts and experience about these drugs wouldn’t even reach your deaf ears. You’re no better than addiction when fear is your fix. It’s your safety blanket that protects you from heresy… you’re a fear junkie.
But I respect your current opinion of your path, I’ve been there too. Just be humble about it because when you realize how naive you are, that anger and fear will just come back. Live in love, not ignorance.
Woah man! hang on. For starters, you can’t put cannabis and heroin in the same sentence when you’re referring to substance abuse. Purely on the reason you can’t really abuse cannabis. Smoking cannabis and injecting heroin are two completely different categories on their own. – If you think otherwise, I’d recommend you educate yourself a little more about drugs. Even if you don’t agree with drugs it will pay for you to learn a little as this may prevent you from posting such an ignorant post again.
It sounds to me as if you’re associating with the wrong people if they’re wanting you to partake in using these substances. It’s completely up to you whether or not you want to use these drugs. I think you were to educate yourself a little more you will find that heroin destroys lives. Cannabis however can even enhance thought and have a positive contribution as a medicinal value to people suffering with various illnesses.
As far as legalisation goes, the only reason cannabis is illegal is because of the racist views of a governing body when cannabis was first seen being smoked by the Jamaican community. This same government who went on to spend millions of pounds on propaganda that portrays cannabis as some sort of life ruining substance, like heroin, when no facts have been submitted to suggest this. I could go on forever to explain why cannabis is illegal but that is for another post.
You shouldn’t be so pissed off about the situation you’re in. You should actually be pissed off with yourself for allowing yourself to fall into this situation. Leave your peers to it. It’s their individual choice. As far as abuse is concerned that’s part of the survival of the fittest. The weaker minded people who would abuse heroin and die have it coming to them if you ask me. But that’s a whole new debate.
You need to educate yourself, asses the situation you’re in and make actions to take yourself away from that situation if it’s having such a negative impact on your life.
I smoke cannabis and I wouldn’t dream of pressuring peers to smoke with me if they didn’t want to. I’d like to think that my peers have the mental capacity to make the decision on their own. And if they judge me for smoking cannabis then that’s entirely their issue.
This is your issue. Not theirs. Sort your issue out.
@thelaughingfool, “What gets under my skin is that most people I begrudgingly know who are substance abusers want me to partake in recreational drugs along side them.”
If these are people you know begrudgingly, and they don’t respect your values, then why know them at all? Perhaps it’s time to cut the cord, life’s too short to spend time with people who only get you down.
Alright so you’re honestly going to sit there and tell me if you have the opportunity in this existence to reach another state of mind (or realm, whatever you wanna call it), you’re not going to take that opportunity? As I can see, either you have tried drugs and they effected you badly, or you have never tried them and are completely ignorant to the subject. Either way, I can tell through your writing and rage towards a completely innocent group of people, that you are not content living your “sober” lifestyle. I would respect you more if you could tell me why you’re so against anyone that uses a natural plants/fungi that have been used thousands of years to reach different mindsets. If you had approached this situation with a bit more explanation towards why you made your decision or maybe with a bit more gratitude and compassion, I could understand where you are coming from. Instead, you came in all guns and ammo, shooting everyone down; only really showing us that being sober makes you angry and unhappy. I’m going to keep smoking my pot and experiencing and looking at the world differently. I have no interest being like you. I hate people like you, you stupid straight edge people that know nothing (only mocking).
You need to relax and let people make their own decisions. Without properly being able to understand the subject, I don’t think you should approach it in the way you did.
He has a point, everybody. Telling someone you should do drugs with such force as this is just as bad as telling someone you are a terrible person if you do drugs. No one should be pressured into anything or not doing it (within reason here!), because it only breeds resentment. He has come to his own conclusion about it and that is totally ok, he is not telling anyone here in the HE community to stop doing whatever it is they do. Simply, he says that he does not want drugs pressured upon him, and does not see drugs as the solution to problems. Not that any of this is my business, but sheesh….it seems really un-HEthenlike to jump on somebody just because they have a difference in opinion on something which is a personal choice, like deciding to do drugs or not.
“Meet the new boss…same as the old boss” – the Who
@theskafish, Obviously neither extreme is right, but he definitely set a tone for the kinds of responses he was going to receive. He basically told almost everyone on this site that:
“I have no interest in being like you. I hate people like you. People like you disgust me.”
You can try to form his words to make it about “forceful people,” but he definitely had an intent to disarm drug users (‘abuse’ as a descriptor here is simply worthless) with his choice of words, whether they were “forceful” or not.
In the end, we are completely certain that he has no 1st-hand knowledge on what it is like to be the people he is judging, nor can he describe accurately the feelings or epiphanies that others claim to receive. He goes so far as to say that all weed users are stuck in a twisted psychosis as a result of their abuse.
He asked to be attacked. He wants the attention. He will use the retaliations of those in this discussion to fuel his ignorance…until, one day, he comes to a legitimately-formed conclusion based on experience.
@lytning91, I don’t know. It seems to me like people on here are just seeing the parts they want to see in his post and connecting the dots. Maybe it’s bad to say that certain people disgust you or that you hate them, but to say that you have no interest in being like someone, I don’t see what’s wrong with that. We all don’t want to be like a certain thing, otherwise maybe we’d be it. I really don’t think he was trying to attack anyone here, he even said that he has no problem with people who use substances. He has a problem when these users continually ask him to do something he does not want to do, not listening to him the first umpteen times he said “no.” Don’t you think that would get frustrating? Plus, I’m pretty sure you can abuse weed, you can abuse anything. I’ve known several people, myself included for a time, who would get into the habit of just smoking weed every day and never doing anything, never getting off the couch……looking back I’d have slapped myself sometimes, glad I decided to cut back (not eliminate, just reduce) big time while I still have half my 20’s to go.
“In the end, we are completely certain that he has no 1st-hand knowledge on what it is like to be the people he is judging, nor can he describe accurately the feelings or epiphanies that others claim to receive.”
In the end we are certain of nothing more than what he originally posted, but I think people on here are really missing the point, it’s not anti-drugs, it’s just another personal rant but people are jumping on him as if he just came out as a Nazi. Even if it is anti-drugs, so what? This is High Existence, not high school. We’re supposed to be openminded here, even towards people who don’t share our beliefs 100%………I don’t even know why I’m fighting someone else’s battle here, I guess I’m just disappointed in the mob mentality.
“Maybe it’s bad to say that certain people disgust you or that you hate them”
-Dawg, it is undeniably bad to think this about your fellow man.
And to say you don’t want to be ‘like’ them is a sham. One, you can NEVER be like them ANYWAY, two, you don’t have an idea what it’s like to use the drugs, so to have any claims as to their positive or negative attributes is simply absurd, aside from incredible bias.
And he said that part FIRST. It’s like saying “Don’t take offense to this, BUT…” or “bless their heart.” I’d be more comfortable if, after that intolerant rant, I heard a “I believe in ‘live and let live,’ though, and etc etc etc”
But no, I got “here is my obligatory ‘yeah, yeah…peace and love’ before I lay into all of you guys about something I have no experience with.”
This isn’t about that first part at all. If he was ONLY talking about the first part then that post would have been a lot shorter. But no, it continued. Obviously I think forcing something down someone else’s throat is annoying, but it’s not ONLY about that…obviously.
“Plus, I’m pretty sure you can abuse weed, you can abuse anything. I’ve known several people, myself included for a time, who would get into the habit of just smoking weed every day and never doing anything, never getting off the couch”
-I know people who smoke weed everyday and then go to law school and succeed, having received full-rides to law programs. That crap has nothing to do with “weed abuse” and everything to do with individual ability. Stupid people are just as able to smoke weed as smart people.
Again, and I say this completely unaffected emotionally by this guy’s posts: people are people. For every person wiling to say “People like you disgust me” you will find another, equally passionate person, willing to say “No, people like YOU disgust ME!”
And they will both walk away from this discussion gaining nothing but resentment toward someone else. I stated clearly that he invited attack, and I do believe that. No one comes so strongly onto something like this, so blinded by rage, and expects to have constructive discussion. You don’t expect constructive when your opening statement intentionally tells others that YOU HATE SOMEONE ELSE, no matter who it is.
@lytning91, “Maybe it’s bad to say that certain people disgust you or that you hate them”
“-Dawg, it is undeniably bad to think this about your fellow man.”
Well….I could list several examples countering this but this thread isn’t about me. Back on topic though, we know very little concrete proof about his history with drugs, since he never said that he had NEVER EVER IN HIS LIFE used substances, only that he does not at present. Therefore, saying he has no knowledge of drugs and their effects is just an assumption.
“I know people who smoke weed everyday and then go to law school and succeed, having received full-rides to law programs.”
Eh….words like “succeed” are very very subjective, one person’s “success” is another’s “just OK.” Honestly, I could very easily see how someone could go through law school while smoking….for all of lawyers’ prestige in our society, it’s really not rocket science, just an awful lot of memorization and application.
Like you, I seem to stand out on this site because I’ve never done drugs of any sort.
That being said, it’s awfully uncool of you to judge so harshly. I don’t think it makes a person better or worse for doing drugs. It doesn’t make them weaker or stronger. The simple fact is that I don’t know every individual and neither do you, and to judge them for one aspect of their life is wrong.
If you don’t want to join them, don’t. It’s that simple. You don’t have to be a dick. You don’t have to act like you’re better than them.
@thelaughingfool, I never used drugs, see how it was. I was around people who made music, like me. They couldn’t believe that I don’t smoke weed. I couldn’t believe they are so pathetic to think that a substance is something that boosts their inspiration/intelligence. :) It is a weakness. It is escapism. I am glad I have nothing to do with these guys, because I was better than them sober, high, drunk, every single fucking time. If you ask a person like that who has “a lot of talent” what they love most, where they get their inspiration – they’re not going to tell you nature, and they’re not going to tell you that they have a special relationship with someone – they’re going to tell you the superficial bullshit about how they wish they have felt. But I guess I’ll be offending a lot of HEthens with that. :) Meh, I don’t give a shit. Bitches.
@theskafish, name ONE time where hatred has had a more positive effect than love and understanding? I will wait…
Having a defense and seeking to avoid behavior which YOU have placed a negative connotation on is fine, but as I said, the degree to which he expressed a disdain for a large group of people he knows roam this site…it speaks for itself.
Obviously success is a relative tool. My point isn’t to argue the whole “well, everything is relative so everything means nothing” debate. You stated that extensive use leads to “never doing anything.” You tried to make a connection between the two. Call it whatever you want, but getting accepted into a law program with a huge scholarship sounds pretty fruitful to me, as well as “just memorization and application.” Or how about the other “burn-out” I know who has gotten hired to professionally record concert material for Grooveshark? Or maybe the “burn-out” who is interning at a professional recording studio, as well as producing amazing hip-hop and R&B beats.
They all smoke daily and are doing just fine, especially for their lives. If you tried to call them “burn-outs,” they’d probably just laugh with you, agree, and then go on “succeeding.”
@kidd, people who are often uncertain of themselves and their place in life, in fact, DO use this attacking of the other side to combat their uncertainty.
I am reminded of those who are homophobic, simply because they are afraid to embrace the fact that they might have more in common with homosexuals than they think. Rather than accept themselves for their thoughts, they shut them out and try to make other people feel bad for being who they are. If your Ego is brought into the discussion, you didn’t come to discuss anything at all.
@lytning91, “name ONE time where hatred has had a more positive effect than love and understanding? I will wait…”
There are some people in some situations who have gone past the point of no return, or simply were dicks, and there was never anything to understand about them. Sometimes you have to combat somebody, it’s the only way. Like in today’s world, we can try to “love and understand” the elite all we want, and in response they’ll turn our country into the 3rd world. No, there are some people that you have to oppose, call it hate, defense, or whatever you want.
All those examples you listed of “successful” stoners really are up to interpretation though, and frankly I don’t think they’re all that impressive. Unless you’re talking success in terms of money alone, which IMO isn’t really an indicator of anything. If you want to talk about music, I’m much more impressed when I heard in an interview that Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins decided not to use drugs at all, and still comes up with legitimate psychedelic rock.
I’m not even trying to hate here, I think weed should definitely be legal. I’m just saying, it’s just another intoxicant like alcohol, use it if you want to, but saying it’s magical is not an absolute truth. People who don’t like weed shouldn’t be crucified for it.
@thelaughingfool, I can’t speak for the people you surround yourself with, but I can assure you that on HE anyone who suggests drugs or says ‘you have to try it’ are purely saying so because they have had positive experiences, and want others to feel the positivity. I feel sad that you’ve taken that and turned it into hatred. If you don’t want to partake I appreciate that and respect your decision. If your life is just as fruitful without then fair play to you, I admire that, I really do. But in no way does that make you a better person, or give you the right to suggest that anyone who chooses to use drugs is suffering from some kind of psychosis.
I hope you find peace within yourself (however you choose to that), I genuinely do. Stop wasting your energy on hate, that is one thing I highly recommend, over any drug.
@lytning91 “people who are often uncertain of themselves and their place in life, in fact, DO use this attacking of the other side to combat their uncertainty.”
I agree completely. Trying to see things from the other’s perspective is probably the best way to discuss anything, trying to play the devil’s advocate against your own views. I also think it’s the best way to grow, but I guess I don’t completely understand why it’s so hard for some people to do.
You have to accept that not everyone has always had it easy, and that not everyone was resourceful or lucky enough to find the “right” solutions. Some people get high as a way to escape reality, others for fun.
Which brings me to the fact that you shouldn’t hate people for choosing their own kind of fun. For some people a party is where you drink alcohol and dance, and for others it’s when you hang out at a skatepark and smoke week. I’m only talking soft drugs of course, I think each person must be responsible enough to weight the pros and cons of their actions, and hard drugs sure do have a lot of cons.
@theskafish, confrontation is only worth it when it is necessary. Willingness to participate in this kind of behavior on a site which seeks to return to a state of mutual growth and understanding has NOTHING to do with war on the elite.
They aren’t successful because of money or status. You are certainly straddling this high horse of yours very loosely.
These people are successful because they had the initiative to unite their dreams with reality and land jobs doing something they love. The assumption that my friends are not impressive to you is, frankly, insulting, and if your rebuttals continue to consist of more narrow-minded assumptions I see no reason we should continue this discussion at all.
Nothing is an absolute truth. You being impressed that someone can make psychedelic rock WITHOUT drugs is just a relative piece you find more alluring than others. Weed isn’t an intoxicant to most, and not to a single person that I know. You define intoxication, you define success, and you define good: just as I recognize you have the ability to do these things, you should respect that, when I reveal my definitions for the sake of constructive discussion, you tread lightly across them in order to make legitimate points.
But rather, I have seen argumentation full of fallacy and bias. I don’t, nor have I ever, smoked weed. My advocacy comes from just how deeply I have experienced connections with fantastically amazing people that have used it. I think one day I will, but as for now I have not. Though I submit to the lack of understanding that I comes from not smoking weed, I doubly respect the knowledge I have gained from interacting intimately with others who do use it.