Some people say it exists, some don’t believe in it, here’s what I think.
Hell is human life, living on Earth, being susceptible to pain. If you think about it, what determines our quality of life is our ability to control our pain and suffering on Earth. Our attachment to the material world is what constantly brings us down yet we constantly use it to attempt to make us happy when in reality it just brings us down more.
I know Buddhist believed in reincarnation. So what if that’s true; we reincarnate until we live a pure enough life for our souls to awaken upon death. Being stuck and trapped and forever reincarnating as a human instead of moving on to becoming a higher being seems pretty “hellish” to me. Especially considering how much suffering humans have gone through in the past. Think about how much pain and suffering constantly happens and how much we wish to escape it. Isn’t that why do drugs, to attempt to escape reality?
Here’s an interesting article I read recently from bible.org:
The whole thrust of the Bible opposes reincarnation. It shows that man is the special creation of God, created in God’s image with both a material body and an immaterial soul and spirit. He is presented as distinct and unique from all other creatures—angels and the animal kingdom alike. The Bible teaches that at death, while man’s body is mortal, decays and returns to dust, his soul and spirit continue on either in a place of torments for those who reject Christ or in paradise (heaven) in God’s presence for those who have trusted in the Savior. Both categories of people will be resurrected, one to eternal judgment and the other to eternal life with a glorified body (John 5:25-29). The emphatic statement of the Bible, as will be pointed out below, is that “it is appointed unto men once to die and after that the judgment” (Heb. 9:27). This statement and the concept that mankind’s creation in God’s image is unique from the animals and even angels stand totally opposed to the idea of reincarnation—dying and coming back as another person or in the form of an animal or insect. What nonsense! The claim of some that they have information of past history is nothing more than some kind of encounter with demonic powers who have been present throughout history.
I will start off pointing out how man is so unique and special but it is only his soul that is special isn’t it? The mortal man is just a shell your soul sheds. And as Heb 9:27 says you die once then you are judged…. until you are sent to a place of torment or to paradise. So right here, in this text it says you die once, but it’s not your soul that dies. The the finality of dying once is really irrelevant as far as reincarnation is concerned, this is just a random fact put into a specific context. This could be saying that the body I am in will never be duplicated again and no one will reincarnate in my body once I die… once this body lives and dies that’s it. But then you become apart of a new body that dies once and…. yeah I think you get it. What I am saying is nothing in this article (or any where found on that webpage: http://bible.org/question/what-does-bible-say-about-reincarnation) says anything that disproves this…. aside from the fact that believing this is nonsense and I am practicing demonic practices by trying to expand my mind for the better instead of listening to this religion blindly (sounds like the government).
Even purgatory can be accounted for in this thought of mine. They say you might be in purgatory for thousands of years and all you do is pray for heaven while those below pray for you. Well what if you don’t pray enough, does the trap door open beneath you while you are kneeling in your purgatory pew? I think purgatory is your soul and other souls, within your bodies, praying and hoping that not only itself but other souls escape. Because our souls are not suffering as we are human just our mortal-selves. Our soul is constantly telling us what’s right way to live in hopes our bodies respond to free the soul within.
This was supposed to be a short post and I couldn’t help be ramble (seems like) so I will sum up:
I think (maybe) that human life is hell with all the temptations, pain and suffering. How it is so easy to get caught up in material possessions that make us greedy and jealous. And with the consideration of reincarnation, it would explain how hell could be eternal if we always give in. But once we realize that what we have material-wise is the least important thing and, rather, its the connections we make with other souls and what we do for those souls is ultimately awakens us through death. Because we are only physically able to reach a certain level of consciousness as human and we make the jump to the next through death, we must attain a high enough level of consciousness in order to make that jump. If we are too “low level” we cannot make that jump, we fail the “test of human life” and start over as the same soul in another human body. Through more reincarnations our soul gains more experience on influencing your body (more power if you will) and that is how ultimately, through a process consisting of many lives your soul goes through, you will eventually be awakened.
Didn’t put too much time into clarity of this post I wrote because I have work soon (lolz) but I just had to get it out and the more I think about it the more I believe this to be a possibility. Please tell me what you think about what I posted and tell me what you think “hell” is so we can learn from each other.
This is the idea with soul age: you’re reincarnated again and again until you learn all the lessons you can. And I suppose the best way to learn those lessons is to learn them the hard way. It’s only once you obtain enlightenment as an old soul can you elevate above the physical world. I’d look into soul age: it sounds exactly like what you’re describing. And I personally think it’s interesting.
That all being said, while I understand where you’re coming from, I enjoy life here on Earth too much for it to be Hell. I’ll take the bad with the good so long as there is good. And there is plenty of good.
Yes, soul age is what I am talking about. I just looked it up and even took a test (I’m a “transcendent soul: I’m not even here” o.0) lolz.
To clarify, I am not saying Earth is hell I am just saying what if this is what all the holy text refer to as hell. There’s a lot of bad that goes on in the world and that’s the test of life. Because people around you will be consumed by it and you have to resist.
So, in other words, I’m saying Earth isn’t what we think of “hell” being a fiery place… this is just hell and it’s as bad as it gets.
Oooh, can I take that test? I love personality quizzes.
And, ooooh. Well, then, in that case… I’m not entirely sure. If we’re going by the bible, the idea is to live through suffering and make the best of it so you can go to heaven. By making it worse for yourself and others, you end up in Hell.
But, personally, yes, I guess that makes sense. I suppose this is as bad as existence to get, but I feel like it’s too much fun for some people. So, while I don’t believe in a place like Hell, I won’t completely deny it’s existence. But you’re probably right.
@jbc3817, I think this life is all various states of life: heaven, hell, and purgatory. It appears, from all the information on TV, there are people who have suffered hell (rape, shooting, kidnapping of a child, etc.) and there are people who have experienced heaven (meeting one’s soul mate, having a “miracle” baby, etc.) or live in purgatory. My hope is that after death, there is peace and rest for a while until we are reborn into a new body.
@seli, well I think that there’s no heaven here for one. Two, I believe that purgatory is our soul praying and waiting for it to be awakened out of our human body. Our mortality is our hell bc there is inevitable pain and suffering and we have such limited senses in the grand scheme of things. I see where you are coming from but there are so many things that we are constantly bombarded with that distract us fro
@jbc3817, The Bible doesn’t tell us there is an after life. It talks about Sheol, the common grave of man, where people are not aware of anything at all. It also says no man has gone to heaven except he who decended from heaven. Gehenna the lake of fire and sulfur (hell) is a metaphor for complete destruction.
When the Bible talks about death and judgement as you have raised, it is talking about how people are dead while they are still alive. eg: “Let the dead bury the dead”
Gehenna was a literal place, a rubish dump just outside of Jerusalem. They would cover rubish with sulfur and burn it until nothing remained, metaphor for eternal destruction not eternal suffering. They also destroyed the corpses of criminals here at Gehenna, which is another link to the metaphor. But eternal destruction, according to the Bible, is when God stops remembering you.
Maybe the world is hell or heaven, it just depends what we make it. Maybe reincarnation is not something that happens in multiple lives, but in a single life. Maybe karma represents a cycle of action and reaction, or birth and rebirth. Maybe to escape the cycle of karma, birth and rebirth, action and reaction, we must realize [ ]. Maybe to find heaven on earth, you must achieve [ ] and end the cycle of action and reaction, birth and rebirth. Upon the cessation of reaction comes an entirely new world that is unimaginable to the unawakened being. Maybe hell is nothing more than a never-ending cycle of reaction.
@jbc3817, The only thing it really says, and plenty of people will dispute this but this is according to my accademic study of it not a biased Christian opinion, is that when you die you cease to be aware of everything, you only exist in the memory of God.
BUT Jesus did teach of the Ressurection; this is where God recalls us to living human state, where society and the world will be in an ideal situation, that we have everlasting life, which is not immortality because we still exist in our ability to choose to do things for un-ideal ways and become counter-productive to the idealness of the situation.
My understanding is that everyone will come back, good or bad, and we will all be given a chance to see if we can adapt to the new situation or if we are a hazard to it, the latter resulting in those being returned to the unaware state of death.
Ok so here’s a tangent.
In a recent philosophy class I had, we were covering Dante’s Inferno and his conceptualization of hell. For those who haven’t read it, basically there are descending ‘circles of hell’ with increasing levels of punishment, right up until you reach the lowest level where Satan is.
I forget which level it was, but at one point, the main character reaches a couple having sex. In life, they had committed adultery with each other, so their punishment in hell was to be locked together for eternity. This might not sound so bad, but consider: physically locked to the genitals of the person you hooked up with, someone you don’t even know or care about, and also in a state of constant orgasm. Constant. With your excitement rising, and rising, and rising….and rising forever. With no release. Ok, so interesting punishment, right?
My prof explained that Dante was making a point, because everything in hell is supposed to be an inverse of heaven. During Dante’s time, it was believed that everyone’s soul was incomplete, like one half of a yin-yang. And when you die, if you’re good, you go to heaven and God is the other half to your puzzle. So your soul fits together perfectly with God, and you exist in a sort of super-intense vibrational state (basically an orgasm) with God, for all of eternity.
After I really thought about this for a while, I felt sort of sick. I wouldn’t want either option to be honest. Maybe because I’m not as spiritually developed as others.
@kidd, It would seem that hell has become home. Can’t wait to be done here and spend eternity as a free spirit. The only thing that holds me back is doubt that any of these findings are real. It’s a very very small doubt.. but it is still there.
You got something wrong. Reincarnating isn’t what the Buddhist wants… They want to stop reincarnating (and thus get into the nirvana). They acknowledge the existence of pain is through the desire of existing (as Hinduism also says), in fact the desire of existing is what makes you reincarnate in the first place. They also say that if you get outside of that reincarnating stage you get stilness.
They also say that there are gods in the stage of reincarnation that get into mortal realms, and they also say that nirvana isn’t what you could think as something “good” by itself, it’s like the nothingness and no-existance, impossible thing to grasp.
Anyway, Buddhism can’t be completely true (sorry folks), and most people see Buddhism as a metaphor on how you die into the nothing when you really understand it.
I think poligion is completely corrupting people’s minds. think for yourself and don’t be affraid to question their agenda’s. We all see the devil’s work in israel, how they are killing palestinians. Genocide is currently happening and there are people who suffer from these opression, murdering poor people just to live a comfort life on the cost of those who already struggle..that should give you hints how these systems works
Good article on reincarnation and karma: http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/reincarnation.htm
Although I agree a tremendous amount in regards to your post, I do not believe that hell is particularly for every being on earth as everyone goes through various experiences throughout the process of reincarnation overall. However, I do feel hell is experienced in the material world by many. I believe many are still being born into this life and have many more to be reborn in as this is the process of soul development. The easier our life is, I believe the newer our soul is. The more difficult our life is the wiser we become. We become wise through experiences. We gain maturity through experiences as that creates growth. I believe this plays a factor in mental disabilities as well or specific diseases we get. I believe we pay our karmic debts through reincarnation. Once we enable ourselves to become released from all the material attachments and impermanence as well as gain faith through the realization of our lack of control we become at peace with our inner self. I believe once accomplished and our karmic debts are paid we move onto a higher existence. We can learn the most about ourselves as well as pay karmic debts through helping others because by doing so we are given the opportunity to see all beings within ourselves and ourselves in all beings as we then begin to learn appreciation of life because we fear we are alone but in reality of it all no one is alone. Suicide I believe is because we have chosen too quickly to reincarnate as there is no existence of time in the spiritual world. So once one commits suicide I do not believe they only have to reincarnate back in the the same circumstances following their previous death, but instead they begin their entire process of reincarnation over again…which of course is upon their choosing.
You have your attention focused on an idea which is actually not at all philosophical but is instead purely personal and subjective. I don’t experience life as “hell”. I also don’t experience it as “heaven”. Life is life, it is what it is…I don’t know why you experience life as “hell”…consider the possibility that hell does not even exist outside the realm of your belief …you are not perceiving something that exists in the world, you are projecting into the world something that exists only in your consciousness. It is your choosing that makes it so.