I come looking for answers. I am 22 and have never taken a drug that wasn’t prescribed to me. I drink, yet sparingly and on the special occasion. I have no interest in using drugs either due to a personal reason.
I ask this question after having a discussion with a close friend of mine. He was recalling his trip on pure MDMA or “Molly” as it’s better known. He talked about the sensation of rolling and coming down and all the sensations during and after. What surprised me the most was the statement that’s been bouncing in my head for some time. “You can experience the same high off of life completely sober as you can with most drugs.”
I have many friends who have done a plethora of drugs and I’ve only heard him say that.
Is this statement true? Have you come close to a simular feeling of being on a drug? Is the sober high better? Thoughts? Questions? All are welcome.
I’ll take a quick stab at this one really quick, but I’m more interested in knowing what has prevented you from wanting to explore this area for yourself (maybe I can find out via discussion).
So, what does it really mean to be “high?” If you take it as a generalization, and just imagine the concept of emotion and how emotion works, you have to have highs to understand lows…or neutrals…or kinda highs….etc.
In this respect, it becomes pretty clear to me that “high”-ness is just a reflection of user experience. I’ll provide an example: imagine you’ve been eating locally your whole life. You’ve gotten accustomed to the food in your area alone and know what you like a lot, what you hate, and everything in between. If someone comes to you with food from afar, so long as you never taste it, all you will have to place it in perspective is a subjective recommendation from someone else…and faith in their opinion. That said, you still don’t know what it tastes like…you might be moved by the thought of something tasting better than anything you’ve ever tasted…but if you never taste it you’ll never really know.
In this sense, life has so many highs and lows, and each carries a different weight for the person that’s carrying them. For me, when I was told of LSD/Shrooms/Psychedelics I was instantly amazed…I decided I wanted the experiences for myself…to truly understand. Could I have had the highest of highs without these? Yes, of course. Even if Psychedelics gave me the most incredible high I’ve ever experienced, the human mind doesn’t scar you with the gloomy notion that you’ll NEVER have a high as good as the one you had that one time…our minds shift and are constantly making room for shifts in preferences and perspectives.
In summation, there will never be a shortage of highs from the world…I can’t make you place a psychedelic within the range of highs and lows you’ve experienced…but I can ask that you not allow a preconceived notion about a potentially incredible experience distract you from the ever-present fact that…well, it could be an incredible experience.
And as for sobriety, I can hardly contemplate the notion. We humans can make a vice or intoxicant out of anything…it’s just a matter of cross-referencing that little blemish with the societal standard of what is “OK” and what isn’t.
Highs are highs…no one is better than another.
@stereofidelic, the high from running wayyy too much is pretty good
Also, a couple times while in a state of meditative awareness, I felt like all of a sudden I was plugged into some vast electrical field that spanned across everything in the universe. Yeah, it was pretty cool, like a body orgasm, and I felt one with everything and all that kind of hippie shit.
@stereofidelic, Some people will totally disagree with me on this, but I think you can definitely attain different types of “highs” without using anything other than your mind. I think it requires an extremely open mind, and accepting all thoughts and visions that you have, that we often dismiss by force of habit. I’ve had people ask me if I’m high a million times when I’m not, sometimes I even really feel like I am. I think it’s because I hold myself to less social restrictions than other people do, and I tend to over-analyze and be way more observant than most people, which leads to situations where I’m like ‘woah man, did you see that squirrel ? so fucking beautiful. it looked like a ballerina.”
I’ve also experienced natural tracers and color enhancements on occasion, just from being very tuned into my visuals and really looking at what I was seeing, more than just looking at what was in front of me, if that makes sense.
idk. I have no scientific proof of anything here. Just personal experiences that felt very enhanced to me.
@vernalsoul, “I tend to over-analyze and be way more observant than most people, which leads to situations where I’m like ‘woah man, did you see that squirrel ? so fucking beautiful.” – lmao Loved It
@vernalsoul, I agree! You do not need drugs to achieve altered states of mind, it can be a tool of help for sure, and a lot of drugs open your horizons, but I believe as well that these same states can be achieved without drugs as well.
I think it’s probably like that for many, when the drugs are taken, you realize you never really needed them in the first place. Because it’s not really about the drug itself, but about in which state of mind you are when you take them.
“When you get the message, hang up the phone” type of thing. I sometimes feel high when I’m completely in the now. That might be because it’s become such a routine to avoid the now, that when I’m actually in it, it’s amazing. I also experience a type of high when I read about other people’s highs.. :) I’ve never tried psychedelics, so I can only say that after smoking weed I changed in the sense that I realized who I already was, I saw myself more clearly and I was able to focus better. It was a good experience, and even though I haven’t smoked since, I still benefit from that high because it was a catalyst to my development. I find that it wasn’t so much the weed itself that changed me, it was rather my choice of opening up to the experience of it. So, probably, if you go into an experience with an open mind, it is much more likely you get anything productive from it. If you go into something with a destructive attitude, destruction is what you get. I think you can manifest your own personal high without drugs, if you are open to it and think more about the change you want to make in yourself rather than you want something else to change you. Sometimes I feel high while cleaning my room, cooking, reading, listening to music, taking a walk, breathing…
Yeah, initially i thought than i can only get high through drugs…but eventually you see there are so many highs in life and you kinda HAVE to discover em because you cant rely on drugs.
For me it usually is going in the nature, of going running, or riding my motorbike at some nice route or listenining to music while thinking positive thoughts or reading quotes or reading books. Generally if you go looking for highs, eventually you will discover what works for you and while i’ve never got the mdma-high yet, i still think i’ve come close sometimes…just using my mind!
I think that what you learn from drugs can be done without. They act like a catalyst in that way.
The actual experience, though…you can’t really recreate that. You can recreate it once you know what it is like and try to be in a similar state but I don’t think it’s possible.
Just keep learning and working towards what you want to be and how you want to act and chances are, you’ll get somewhere close.
@lytning91, I never wanted to try drugs because of how I’ve seen people react to them. My Father was once a heroin user. He drank excessively, smoked weed, snorted coke. This was something I was not sheltered from for whatever reason. His emotions would violently alter when he was on any kind of drug, even weed because he was more talkative. I was raised with horrible excuses for parents and there is no way to deny that. I also have quite a bit of friends that have tried E, DMT, Ketamine, Coke, Weed… everything. I’ve been curious enough to ask how they effect the body. I’ve seen my friends personalities shift as well.
I know it might be hypocritical of me to basically live vicariously through the answers given to me and never to have experience any sort of high by myself outside of the buzz of alcohol.
I’ve always been interested in the “high” of life without needing the catalyst.
And for the record I’ve never turned away from a friend when they told me an experience. I only change my opinion when they directly do something to me.
@stereofidelic, Alcohol only gives a buzz if you know when to stop. I mean, yeah, it’s legal, but it can be really destructive; personally and socially. I find it strange when people don’t do any drugs but still drink alcohol…though that is the majority of people. If you can stay in the good place with booze then it is really okay but most people I know who look down on other substances do not stay in the zone at all. They talk shit, get sick, fall over and it’s madness!
I’m not judging, I’ve been there myself. But alcohol is a much more insidious than other drugs, I find.
@misterkal, You’re absolutely right. Alcohol feels like you’re inducing hulk syndrome within yourself. It makes me feel a wide range of emotions which is why it feels so questionable to me. It’s the exact reason why I drink in moderation. It’s more destructive than organics. At least from what I’ve been told.
– Crazy long periods of meditation
– Sensory deprivation, specifically light and sound, for several days in a row
– Somehow achieve a kundalini awakening
– Extended periods of fasting (10+ days)
@stereofidelic, Find what you love. I like to use drugs on occasion for opening new windows or helping myself “think outside the box” and sometimes simply for th sake of getting high, but i for sure get the most rewarding highs from doing the things I love. Like performing music or a lonnnng meditation session, or riding a crazy snowboard line then looking back up at what i just rode, or painting/drawing and covering the entire canvas with color. I’v found the more i commit my full self to any of these things the higher i get. Live a HIGHEXISTENCE!!!!
If you want to have the SAME high without trying drugs then sorry, that’s impossible. You can get AS high by going on a rollercoaster or doing something you really love. That’s what ‘high’ is supposed to mean, right?
HI there :)
Gorgeous day out eh, I have the answer your searching for right here :o actually two (but the second is unusual)
First I suggest finding a flotation center near you and book an appointment! If your unknowledged on this topic do a bit of research. If your a person who meditates you know the sort of personal clarity that it can bring but now imagine getting into a huge tank that is filled with salt water heated to your body temperature and sealed from light and sound. Experiencing this floating sensory deprivation for a duration of time (1-2hrs) can cause your brain to do some funky things. to start the mental conversations you have with yourself have a level of clarity and self-awareness that is just…. I find it hard to explain but quite unparalleled to the sober mind! Next your imagination and mind is just going nuts because its not used to sensing nothing for so long so you could easy experience mild to strong hallucinations that are similar to lucid dreams in the sense that you have greater control over them than you would a drug induced hallucination but have a very real, emotional and safe feel to them.
Secondly I’ve had some wild mind experiences when coming down from a long binge of drinking and being sleep deprived. THAT can make your mind do some crazy things too. Next time you have a hard night out with friends instead of going home and crashing try staying up long into the morning by yourself or with close friends to have intellectual inebriated conversation, strange feelings and thoughts can definitely occur :D
Of course these are all suggestions from my own experiences and I can only imagine not guarantee that others would feel the same effects in similar situations :)