@jmprado, God and religion has been discussed plenty of times in this site, if you are looking for different perspectives then look for them. to save you time ill just tell you what i believe in i guess…
Religion to me, is in a way blind, when you try and speak to these religious people they have evidence all over their face that they are closed and ignorant, they will literally start building a wall around themselves and say “I’m Right your Wrong if you don’t believe in what im saying then your going to hell” Religious people are always trying to send you to hell and its pointless talking to them because they are prideful.
I believe we have a creator, things in our planet and universe is just to complex and to…. i guess you can say perfect for it to just happen from no where don’t you think?
I once heard this religious person who was very confused about his beliefs and said this “I believe we created god, we have the power to imagine something and bring it to life, and since a million thoughts and imaginations all focusing on a being named god, it caused us to actually create something out of the ordinary” that same person was also telling me not to go trick or treating because its the devils holiday and restricting me in certain things all because of his stupid beliefs so i just told him straight up “If we fucking created god, then why the fuck are you letting your own damn creation take over your life, why are you letting your own imagination say what you can and can’t do, why are you letting your own being say when you can have sex and can’t have sex?” religion is meant to control you and keep your mind in a narrow path, it restricts you from questioning and takes away your human rights in a way. kinda like.. the government i think.
Religion is a tool. The problem isn’t the tool, it’s that this tool is often misused.
Whether than being used to promote good values and to build bridges between others, people often use it to promote their hate and sever their connections with other humans.
Religion is a tool. The problem isn’t the tool; the problem is its operators.
@chodebalm, I agree with you, believing in God for me is just as easy as believing in the Big Bang, because neither can explain why the Universe ”started”. All the Big Bang Theory says is ”In the beginning there was nothing, and then a light emerged, which then due to enormous amounts of energy and heat exploded yaddy yaddy yadda” (Ok that’s very laymen termed but you get my point).
However, religion in itself is bullshit. Beating/stoning your wife due to religion is not okay. Telling people they’re going to hell because they had sex before marriage is not okay because that’s just fear mongering. Anyone who claims to do anything in the ”name of God” is acting in the wrong because we don’t know what God is and/or what his/hers/its intentions are.
I consider my self a to be quite religious but sometimes i really consider if i want to be classified with the rest of catholic’s. They say things just as it’s bad to be gay. They want everyone to be Christians. And also as someone said earlier they have this attitude that “I’m Right and your Wrong”. And i really don’t like it. One of the ten commandments is “Love your neighbor” (Probably wrong but i know that is one, i’m pretty sure). so by being arrogant you are disobeying God. But also to love your neighbor’s you need to accept them no matter the religion, sexual preference, or how they live. But that’s just how i feel
There are no Gods. What makes your God more real than Poseidon and Zeus? Good is the closest thing to a God we have for the good in all of us is a universal concept and understanding that reaches out to every conscious being and part of this universe. I am you and you are me therefore; WE are God.
Catholics want people to be Catholic, not Christian. XD In my opinion the Catholic religion has born many a great faith in the Savior, but generally those who follow could be compared to modern day Pharisees. Continuing from that point, Christians don’t, or shouldn’t judge people (though you find it varies from denomination), yet that doesn’t stop making sinners, sinners. I am a sinner because I sin. All sin is equal. When I lie it’s as bad as murder, as bad as disobeying your parents, as bad as stealing a candy bar, or robbing a million dollars. In my experience with my recent church (great Pentecostal bunch), when someone who is a homosexual enters the church they’re treated just as everybody else. We don’t care. They cannot become covenant members though, and for this reason: it’s a sin, and the whole point of salvation is to walk away from sin, so when someone wants to keep their sin and deny it, we treat it very cautiously. We don’t shun them nor bar the church doors, we encourage them to talk to us and keep in pray. To be a Christian is to deny one’s self, and take up their cross daily. It’s a hard life, yet the reward is great.
I think it’s ridiculous how churches like that claim to “welcome” homosexuals but will not allow them to be members. How can you reduce someone’s religious identity to merely “homosexual”. Assuming homosexuality is a sin, and that is why they are not allowed to be members, then you’re saying you can judge someone based off of one of their sins. I myself have told many lies throughout my life, and heck there’s a good chance I might not be entirely honest again, but would you characterize my entire being as a liar? The point I’m making here is you’re branding a large portion of the population with the term homosexual which according to you is a sin. If what you say is true about all sin being equal, then you shouldn’t be allowed to be a member either. Jesus, the flesh incarnate of the living God made no known reference to homosexuality throughout the Gospels. What he did say was that we should not judge, and that sometimes someone like the prostitute has a better chance of attaining salvation.
I get what you mean. I think it’s human tendency to want to put a label on everything, so every religious group will tell you that salvation is Yahweh or Allah or Jesus or who ever. I don’t think God’s love is some kind of love you’re supposed to feel when you think about God, because you’re right our minds aren’t capable of picturing a God therefore how can we love him? For me God’s love is the love I feel for others, or when someone loves me. I believe God encompasses every feeling we are capable of, and religion has attempted to refine that in saying you have to feel it in this certain way, and that is just unnatural. God is much more broad than that, and I think God loves you and you’re lesbian friend, and you’re disapproving family, no matter what.
Beliefs themselves are fundamentally irrelevant, they may possess some principle guideline that is useful for comparison, but a persons nature is the only true basis for everything they do, and that is not a belief.
Allow me to clarify “membership”, or the case being at least my church, is that to be a covenant member means one can vote with major church decisions and see the financial records; by no means does it exclude ANYONE from being a part of the church family. You come, we like you. You join, that’s just a part of dedication to the body of believers. The reason homosexuals may not become members is because of the denial of sin. To be a covenant member you have to be a saved person. You can not simply believe in Christ (James 2:19), you must accept the Son of Man as the Savior (Romans 6:23, 10:9,10 10:13) , thus repenting sin (Acts 3:19). To believe in Christ and Salvation is to turn from one’s sins. If one then says they are Christian, yet believe the sin of homosexuality is still okay to practice, then they should return to the word of God.
Again, by no means do we outcast or deny homosexuals from the church, the old Christian saying, “Love the sinner, hate the sin”.
Also, and I could go into discussion of it, Jesus does mention homosexuality as a sin, and, to be all technical and tedious, Christ is the Living Word of God (John 1), thus it is written by the Holy Spirit through man (2 Tim 3:16), several times that homosexuality is a sin.
@omallen, Yikes, that’s exactly why I don’t follow religion. Sin? That’s a concept made up by humans. Look at animals, they fuck relentlessly all the time. Bears eat animals alive. Those are sins right? Nope. Read the Tao Te Ching if you want to understand the way which by the way (sorry for the pun) Jesus used. He was not a Christian.
Sure, you can believe whatever the fuck you want I’m not going to try to change your views but I can offer you information if you want to learn something.
Sin in principle is supposed to be to make people accountable for their behaviour, that is the right idea, it is all the rules that allow us to defer responsibility away from ourselves that is wrong. The idea of God himself, tells us there are greater powers in the universe than humankind, which itself is interpreted as we do not have our own responsibilities.
Although it is true that we are effected by forces out of our control, we are still completely liable for how we respond to those cause and effect influences. Just as accountability is measured by justice versus justification.
@trek79, whats wrong with that though is the separation it creates. If your someone with half a brain you should know what’s ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ without some hypothetical god judging you, it’s just retarded. The way ‘god’ is spoken about almost makes it a curse word these days.
@splashartist, That’s why I “believe” that beliefs are fundamentally irrelevant, because we have our own human nature that warns and guides us, it is just detatched by some bulk of knowledge and our egos that all grant us the right to defy our nature.
It’s too late now for me to look it up, but if you wish I will, because I know their is a passage of scripture that tells of how even animals must account of their lives before the Throne.
@trek79, Beliefs are good up to a point, if you don’t send action to them though they are worthless and just thoughts like any other thought you have boiling in your brain. Meditate and follow the flow of the Tao and the rest is not important anymore. Simply stating we have a way of human nature to follow and the rest is irrelevant is incorrect however. If you follow your human nature like most people do you are bound to be drawn into the ego based thinking mind, practicing and following the way of the tao corrects this.
@omallen, I’m not going to make you do anything, if you want to open your eyes to more knowledge and want to further your growth so your not trapped in by religion then go read it. If you are fine living like that though then don’t, it’s your call.
@splashartist, Sorry, I don’t mean to suggest beliefs have no place, they do. We are not perfect, we make mistakes because we are not aware of everything, we actually need guidelines so as to be able to avoid error. It is like the saying “A smart person learns from their mistakes, a wise person learns from the mistakes of others” and this principle still stands in my view. I am just saying that we need our nature to be the basis for our interaction, not a set of beliefs, beliefs have their place as moderators of our nature, not a replacement for our nature. (if that makes sense?)