Is ADHD bullshit?

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I am very curious to see how many of you can relate to my experience.

I remember being in school as a kid and having the teachers recommend to my parents that I be tested for ADHD.

Even into my high school days, I would often find myself daydreaming, or my mind would be on a completely different subject than what the teacher was talking about. I’d be off in my own thoughts about something, and then I’d hear or see the rest of the class do something such as turning the page in the textbook, or take out a paper we were supposed to refer to, and I’d snap out of it and scramble to catch up with the rest of the class because I didn’t hear the teacher’s most recent instruction. That’s how school was for me basically from 1st grade all the way up until graduation.

When I was in 6th grade, my mom did finally have me “tested” for ADHD by a child psychologist. I’ll never forget his diagnosis and how he summed it up to my mother: “He doesn’t have ADHD. He pays attention when he wants to. He can turn it off and turn it on whenever he wants.”

And that’s the thing – it wasn’t that I couldn’t pay attention, it’s that I didn’t fucking CARE what the fuck the teacher was talking about, because I couldn’t see why it was important to give a shit about most of the meaningless bullshit that was being taught.

On the other hand, put me in a class that I actually CARED about, and I’d get straight A’s. My Spanish class, for example, was a class that I felt would actually benefit me. So what did I do? I paid attention and got straight A’s, and years later I became fluent in that language.

Even to this day, I’m very passionate when I talk about this sort of thing, because I feel so strongly that so many kids are thrown into classes that are so fucking meaningless in the grand scheme of life. And then just because they don’t pay attention in class, we think they have an attention problem, or just because a kid has a lot of energy it means he’s hyperactive.

Are you kidding me? It’s called BEING A KID.

It reminds me of a John Lennon quote: “When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life.”

I’m no psychologist. I don’t have a degree in psychology or neuroscience. But I am a firm believer that ADHD is a made-up disorder that we assign to our children because they recognize how much bullshit we’re throwing at them, and they’re much smarter than we give them credit for. They understand that a lot of the material taught in school is meaningless. I give credit to those who were able to just float along with everyone else through school and do your assignments and classwork like a good little boy or girl and not question why you’re doing them. But as for myself and many others I know, my mind was simply too curious about the world to care about what was being written on the board or how I’m supposed to summarize a century-old novel that’s boring as hell.

Has anyone else had the same or similar experience? Do you feel ADHD is a real disorder?

August 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm
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LSPoleFit (0) (@Lsanfordlegalassistant@yahoo.com) 4 years, 3 months ago ago

All I have to say to this is THANK YOU!
My son is more intelligent than I am. He will build with Legos for hours. He just turned 6 and reads music and plays the violin! They tell me “we aren’t surprised. That’s common for ADHD kids”
COMMON?!! Common for a genius maybe! So angered by this.
Teachers should become teachers because they have the ability to engage their audience regardless of the children’s interest in the topic at hand. If they do not have the tools to do this (often a second set of hands because the student/teacher ratio is out of whack) they need to request those tools! If they have the proper tools and still can’t engage their audience, guess what, pick a different career!
Make the material interesting for god sakes! Or don’t expect the more intelligent children to be interested in material that is way below their level. And yes, let them run around here and there. I don’t think our children with an excess of energy have a problem… I think the kids on the other end of the spectrum have a problem! They SHOULD have energy. Ugh!
Here’s a video link of my son in case anyone thinks I’m exaggerating.
…he’s “ADHD” (scoff)

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 4 years, 3 months ago ago

@chodebalm, ADD and ADHD do exist, but in much, much fewer numbers then presented today. They treat children like they are broken when they can sit still in school or gets bored after 30 minutes of useless information. There’s nothing wrong with that! Getting ancy and wanting to do something fun is a natural response to boredom. There’s nothing wrong with these kids, are adults for that matter, that get bored doing boring things and want to do something more exciting, there’s something wrong with this boring production culture.

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Yael Alonso (59) (@YaelAlonso) 4 years, 3 months ago ago

@lsanfordlegalassistant@yahoo-com, Thar’s amazing, very talented. And yea, most Genius’s had a ‘deficiency’ so to say, but that probably just allows other parts of the brain to be given more energy and thrive.

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conglistedsoldier (18) (@mumbojumbo63) 4 years, 3 months ago ago

its a real thing, a reflection of our society. our society expects us to pay attention to their own bullshit. its too boring. the world moves too fast now to spend twenty years learning about things you dont care about by people you don’t know, with people you don’t know, for reasons that don’t make sense. its bullshit, just like most of (i guess) american, and other, societies lately. it sucks to be bored. and it sucks to be forced in to it, “if you know whats good for you”. our policies on education for the most part are invalid, and healthcare. you’ve just got to really try to live in the present and be holistically rational. theres genius in every single person, even all of life. even light, which who is to say, isn’t life? we need some freaking focus, communication, planning, adaptation…

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Cpt (379) (@CptSleeze) 4 years, 3 months ago ago

One out of every ten 10-year-old boys already takes an ADHD drug daily. But the scientific father of ADHD has followed the explosion of prescriptions with growing horror. Leon Eisenberg took over the management of psychiatry at the prestigious Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston and became one of the most famous psychiatrists in the world. In his last interview, seven months before his death from prostate cancer at the age of 87, he distanced himself from his youthful indiscretion.

A tall, thin man with glasses and suspenders opened the door to his apartment in Harvard Square in 2009, invited me to the kitchen table, and poured coffee. He said that he never would have thought his discovery would someday become so popular. “ADHD is a prime example of a fabricated disorder,” Eisenberg said. “The genetic predisposition to ADHD is completely overrated.”

Instead, child psychiatrists should more thoroughly determine the psychosocial reasons that can lead to behavioral problems, Eisenberg said. Are there fights with parents, are there are problems in the family? Such questions are important, but they take a lot of time, Eisenberg said, adding with a sigh: “Prescribe a pill for it very quickly.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/adhd.asp#dxeo5UVhs7FUStIf.99

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Anonymous (44) (@) 4 years, 3 months ago ago

Yeah it’s basically complete and utter crap. Coming from the biohacking nature I pride myself in, the inability to “pay attention” boils down to a few things. One being that the schooling system is completely fuckin outdated and teachers and professors are just a dime a dozen now a days, meaning so very few of them truly know how to teach.

Besides that, I think gluten intolerance plays a massively under rated role in brain function, especially in children. Gluten is present in just about 90% of the average persons diet. Kids are eating waffles, cereals, breakfast bars and all kinds of gluten filled crap every morning and it causes the brain to swell up, literally. That kind of extra work being done on the digestive system drains you of the energy required to do all other normal daily activities. If the whole world went on a paleo style diet, we would see a radical change in cognitive performance from kids up to the elderly.

I think the guy who made up ADD and ADHD just came out and said he made it up haha. It’s not so much that drug companies are finding these “disorders”, it’s more so that they find the drugs and create disorders that would require the prescription. I’m beginning to hate free market capitalism for reasons like this alone.

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cleanAir (0) (@cleanAir) 3 years, 5 months ago ago

Hello, I am technically diagnosed with ADHD and I would say that personality type and mind set has a tendency to be distracted and want and be hyperactive. This being said you can call it what ever you want it is just how some people behave. It is just a matter if you put a label on it or not doesn’t really matter.

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Heidi Thompson (9) (@thomph) 2 years, 11 months ago ago

I think it’s a symptom of our society trying to standardize education when it’s impossible to standardize the building of humans beings.

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John (29) (@JDrifter) 2 years, 11 months ago ago

I LOVE all of the answers here. A lot of very good points have been made. People think it’s such an outlandish assumption that the government as well as big companies make shit up in order to control the people and make a profit, but a quick trip to the History section of your local library will show the thousands upon thousands of times that that exact thing has already happened. And I can personally attest to the fact that people who are diagnosed with “ADHD” and other such things are actually far more clear-sighted and intelligent than their “normal” peers.

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Erik Sather (4) (@fatsweatywhale11) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

I’m on the fence about this one although when I’m truly interested in something I do find myself with a hilariously increased attention span. 

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Eugene Phoa (2) (@Eugene-Phoa) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

I’ve never had ADD or ADHD, but I’ve thought of this. Rather than a mental disorder, surely the behaviour is a symptom of our stimulus, such as TV, Internet, food or education that we don’t see the relevance of, 

If every kid was brought up in a nurturing environment and meditated, would there be such a thing? There’s a primary school in Sydney that has each student “fall silent” before class. I wonder how many of them have Attention Deficit Disorder.

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Daniella (0) (@daneejela) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

I think most people would not agree with me, but I’ll write it anyway. I also think ADHD is bullshit, but I don’t think it is that much because of the boring classes.

I think that kids growing up these days lack authority, and by authority I don’t think on bad parents beating their children, but I think parents who can put a frame of normal social behavior to their children.

I know some parents who don’t want to say ‘no’ to their kids never ever. They believe that it would hurt their growth. I disagree with that belief. I think life hits us with “no”‘s sooner or latter, and obligation of parents is to teach their kids how to deal with “no” the right way…how to accept that we sometimes make mistakes, and it’s ok, how we sometimes need to work harder to get what we want, and that does not make us stupid, how sometimes we have to put aside something we want if that is hurtful to others, and we will still have a lot. 

If you want to be friends with your kid all the time, if you don’t accept your duty as a parent and sometimes say “no” or “it’s not ok”, I completely understand that your kid would have hard time attending classes, paying attention to other stuff then it’s current amusements.

Just to be sure that I would not be misunderstood – I think that parenting has to be filled with love, acceptance, caring and protecting in the first place, and on the second place with child obligations adequate to their age. That will make them feel competent and confident.

On the other side, we live in the age of constant availability of quick reward systems all over the internet.  I’m noticing that we grown ups are becoming more and more “ADHD”.  It’s almost impossible to have a normal grown up talk without someone constantly checking their mobiles and stuff. 

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cricket (0) (@crickets) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Of course its BS the guy the invented the word said on his death bed that he made it up. The big pharma guys need to make more money so they come up with these ridiculous things to make pills for.

There is a book called the DSM that gets rewritten almost every year to accommodate all the new psychiatric disorders. Now they have one called disassociation disorder. Goes something like this, your child is spaced out and not paying attention. Well now there is a pill for that. There is a pill for almost every disorder out there. 

There is nothing wrong with you. Your perfect and your brain is working fine. If you are feeling out of sorts or you think that something is wrong with your thinking. Then you might change your diet a bit, no sugar not food additives

Here is a article that I found.

SPIEGEL: In the 1960s, mental disorders were virtually unknown among children. Today, official sources claim that one child in eight in the United States is mentally ill. 

<br style=”color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-family: ‘Source Sans Pro’, sans-serif; line-height: 24px; text-align: justify;”>Kagan: That’s true, but it is primarily due to fuzzy diagnostic practices. Let’s go back <nobr style=”color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-family: ‘Source Sans Pro’, sans-serif; line-height: 24px; text-align: justify;”>50 years.</nobr> We have a 7-year-old child who is bored in school and disrupts classes. Back then, he was called lazy. Today, he is said to suffer from ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder). That’s why the numbers have soared. <br style=”color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-family: ‘Source Sans Pro’, sans-serif; line-height: 24px; text-align: justify;”><br style=”color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-family: ‘Source Sans Pro’, sans-serif; line-height: 24px; text-align: justify;”>SPIEGEL: Experts speak of 5.4 million American children who display the symptoms typical of ADHD. Are you saying that this mental disorder is just an invention? <br style=”color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-family: ‘Source Sans Pro’, sans-serif; line-height: 24px; text-align: justify;”><br style=”color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-family: ‘Source Sans Pro’, sans-serif; line-height: 24px; text-align: justify;”>

Kagan: That’s correct; it is an invention. Every child who’s not doing well in school is sent to see a pediatrician, and the pediatrician says: “It’s ADHD; here’s Ritalin.” In fact, <nobr style=”color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-family: ‘Source Sans Pro’, sans-serif; line-height: 24px; text-align: justify;”>90 percent</nobr> of these <nobr style=”color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-family: ‘Source Sans Pro’, sans-serif; line-height: 24px; text-align: justify;”>5.4 million</nobr> kids don’t have an abnormal dopamine metabolism. The problem is, if a drug is available to doctors, they’ll make the corresponding diagnosis. and basically eating whole real foods. You might be surprised on how much your diet effects you thinking. 

Dr. Leon Eisenberg is the doctor who is responsible for the term ADHD.

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Cool (1) (@Gracie1030) 1 year, 12 months ago ago

I have self diagnosed myself with ADHD, and I think you’re missing something here. It’s true that I can only listen to a select amount of things that I find interesting, but for me, I’d love to be able to digest calculus, or fully read a book. But the thing is, I can’t. I’ve sat through many movies without understanding the plot at all, while my friends go on and on about how good it was. It makes me feel alone, and stupid. I can’t read books, no matter how badly I want to, now matter how satisfying I know the climax will be. Not unless I am deeply, deeply invested in the topic beforehand, and even then it’s a struggle. I constantly lose things. Even the smallest things that people don’t even think about are a struggle for me, like the fact you probably know where your car keys are right now and I don’t. People who don’t think ADHD is real, don’t have it. You don’t know the constant boredom gnawing at your brain. You don’t know the feeling of obsessively thinking about something to suck every inch of dopamine out of it until it becomes an addiction. You don’t know the feeling of having another interesting point to make before forgetting in a millisecond. You don’t know the feeling of your life crumbling in front of you due to many sleepless nights trying to get motivated to do your homework. I’m sorry, you just don’t. 

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Cool (1) (@Gracie1030) 1 year, 12 months ago ago

Even now, I’ve reread my own paragraph about 20 times. It’s obsessive. I’m also feeling dizzy from not being able to go to bed earlier than 1:00 am in the past month. You guys don’t even know..

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Polymorphed (3) (@Polymorphed) 1 year, 12 months ago ago

I have skipped over the comments, so I’m replying directly to the OP. I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 14 and again at 33. Before seeking a psychiatric assessment in adulthood, I did a lot of research into ADHD and learnt quite a lot. In a nutshell, people with ADHD exhibit various genetic mutations affecting major neurotransmitters (dopamine, norepinephrine/epinephrine) and there are various studies (that I personally agree with) demonstrating mutations on acetylcholine pathways, particularly nicotinic receptors.

Environmental factors can serve to exaggerate the effect of these genetic mutations, which is where behaviour/parenting can become a scapegoat, but the underpinning physiological differences (as above) must be there in the first place for a true/correct diagnosis to be possible (in accordance with modern psychiatric practice). Misdiagnoses and the controversy surrounding treatments involving controlled drugs has only served to attract more public scrutiny and other (often unwarranted/misguided) criticism.

The way I view ADHD from the standpoint of evolution is that the genes responsible were favoured by natural selection for various reasons. If we quickly examine a few of the common traits and imagine their benefit in a hunter/gatherer lifestyle, it becomes obvious: hypervigilience/high environmental awareness, abundant energy/desire to seek stimulation, physical and mental restlessness etc. In our modern world of structure and obedience, these traits are more problematic than lifesaving, but throughout the majority of our homo-sapien evolution, ADHD genetics would have produced apparent super-human leaders and warriors.

I am very liberal in my world views and I can honestly say that I agree with you (OP) regarding your general stance that ADHD is a label that carries far too much negative connotation than it ought to. I’ve always felt that the ADHD characteristics that I clearly possess are my biggest strengths, without which I may not have achieved any of the more significant milestones I have to date. In closing though, I will add that it is still very challenging to live with in this modern world and treatments do help. It is simply a matter of utilising the system to one’s advantage and never losing sight of who you are and what your goals are.

In conclusion, yes, ADHD is a real “disorder”. By definition (of diagnosis) ADHD is disruptive to the systemic functioning of an individual and treatments serve to iron out the dysfunction. In my case, treatment has helped to improve self-confidence (self-belief) and just reduce aspects of neuroticism in general while increasing conscientiousness and agreeableness most of all. 

My wife also has ADHD and it affects her negatively a lot more than me – she has a lot of difficulty performing any kind of task that requires any focus if there are any distractions at all and she lacks the hypervigilience I have. What she does have, however, is a very strong emotional awareness and intuition. Treatment for her is night and day, chaos vs order.

Cheers

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TrayRacx Immortal (2) (@TrayRacx-Immortal) 1 year, 12 months ago ago

Yes it is Its just only so mental health doctors can get paid bcuz without making somthing up on a mental illness they cant have meds to put us on and with out meds they cant make an excuse to scam gifted people from birth gift. These doctors got every on confused!!! mental illness has had me and many people mocked for decade… but in all honesty i started to meditate and got off all those meds i never  needed i feel much much better and found the real definition of a so called mental illness this is why they give meds to make your spiritual gift stop and make you look crazy so youll be ashamed and will start to believe the crazy myth they label you with… I was told i have ADHD schizophrenia auditory hallucination visual torial hallucinations manic behavior  and delusional and bipolar had me on meds since i was 6 studies show now auditory hallucinations match clairvoyance and telepathy consciousness and intutive and ancient knowledge how’s the third eye in spirituality in high existence yes HDHD is bull s###

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Polymorphed (3) (@Polymorphed) 1 year, 12 months ago ago

You may be right in your view that psychiatry only developed the diagnosis and pharmacological treatments to fuel the capitalist machine, but if you believe that all persons who correctly fulfill a clinical diagnosis of ADHD only suffer by trying to fit into such a society, then you are mistaken.

My wife is far more spiritual than me and has an uncanny intuitive nature, but no amount of meditation is sufficient without additional treatment. We have two boys (3 and 5). When she is not taking the medication she finds beneficial, the difference is so extreme that she struggles to look after herself (let alone manage the children and household). She has no investment into or ties with capitalism. After 10 years of psychiatrists avoiding taking ADHD seriously, it was her own desperation that finally lead to the diagnosis – and the results were exactly what she was looking for.

Myself, my medication makes meditating possible. The first time I managed to reach a true meditative state was after my adult ADHD diagnosis. I had been trying since primary school (to get myself to sleep at night). Some people with extreme hyperactivity even take stimulants to help them SLEEP IN.

To avoid giving you the idea that I disagree with you completely, let me tell you that (as a Biomedicine student) the more I learn, the more I reject modern medicine as a logical and ethical approach to public health. Psychiatry in particular. I don’t think mental illness is a hoax, but I do believe the framework that guides how medical professionals diagnose and treat it is completely bullshit.

I’ll also add that meditation has allowed me to reduce my dose substantially. Often my morning dose (usually one of 3 doses a day) is all I need. If I go completely off my meds (which I do time to time to allow my liver a break), I feel like I have chronic fatigue and my wife notices my low tolerance/patience immediately. I also procrastinate and gravitate towards hedonistic choices (ie I avoid doing what I, myself, accept as what I should be doing to fulfill my own agenda).

Modern medicine is just littered with bogus diagnoses and treatments that do nothing other than line the pockets of industry. Chronic Fatigue, Adrenal Insufficiency, IBS, the list goes on. Syndromes, Disorders, symptoms, symptoms, symptoms. Label them so that the layman feels understood and as though they are taking positive steps towards better health, keep the pharmaceutical industry happy, keep the capitalist cogs turning.

Most of the health problems I listed above can be traced to the root cause with the appropriate investigations, most of which are not available through public pathologies. Perhaps no one in power wants the majority to realise that most of these illnesses (including many mental illnesses) can be pinned against immune system agonists like the pollutants and toxins in the air we breath, water we drink and food we buy from mega supermarkets. Not to mention the devastation a modern working-for-the-man lifestyle has on one’s circadian rhythm, which mind you is far more significant to good health than disclosed. Even the mobile phone and computer you need to survive is ruining your body’s natural processes (blue light).

Perhaps it’s a matter for debate whether or not the genetic expressions that lead to mental illnesses like schizophrenia (too much dopamine) or ADHD (too little dopamine) would ever rise to levels of dysfunction without all the above factors in play. What I’m trying to establish is the fact that mental illnesses certainly do exist nowadays at least. I am not disputing, however, that there are major fundamental flaws (enough to justify a good look into conspiracy theories) with modern medicine practice.

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TrayRacx Immortal (2) (@TrayRacx-Immortal) 1 year, 12 months ago ago

I RESPECT THIS conversation YOU MADE AND THE opinion given. But the olly meds i agree with is for physical illnesses they can actually explain that but ever thing else is exra

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Polymorphed (3) (@Polymorphed) 1 year, 12 months ago ago

I respect your view also, it is just that in my personal experience the meds help me achieve my goals. I’ll also add that physical illnesses are often just as bullshit, such as Chronic Fatigue and IBS. They are labels that basically mean the doctor can’t figure out what the cause is, but the label makes patients go away and feel “treated”.

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NSOLO (0) (@NSOLO) 1 year, 7 months ago ago

I am not going to write off ADHD as a diagnosis because it seems like neuroscience may be figuring out objective markers in the human brain that reveal what is going on in people’s brains who are supposedly ADHD. If any of you have ever heard of Dr. Daniel Amen, he is a psychiatrist who’s pioneered ADHD studies by scanning brains and not necessarily prescribing stimulants to people with certain types of ADHD. Did anybody do a double-take when I said certain types? Accordng to Dr. Amen, there are seven types of ADHD, and some types don’t react well to stimulants. Still, I am very skeptical of ADHD. Just as I am skeptical of God. It wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of brain scans that look ADHD look that way because someone has been stressed out, for instance. Time will tell, and hopefully it will bring more clarity to this world that is quick to say someone is ADD or ADHD. 

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Daniel (0) (@Daniel-Broderick) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

They want to put everything in a pill. Ex. Marinol is a capsule/pill form of thc, and is classified as a schedule 3 substance. How can marijuana, whose active ingredient is thc(and other cannabinoids, also available in capsules) be classified as schedule 1? Cocaine is schedule 2 btw

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Daniel (0) (@Daniel-Broderick) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

You are right. Mental illness does not exist. Mental “illnesses” such as ADHD, authoritative defiance disorder, depression, and others have shown NO BIOLOGICAL OR GENETIC LINKS. Standard medical practice is to gather a list of symptoms to determine exactly what condition you have, then prescribe a medication used to treat the condition. This works great for real, physical illnesses. However, mental illness is a bunch of labels we’ve given to people who are varying degrees of fucked up; therefore, a structured environment is the best “cure”, OR, if medication is necessary, why not just treat the symptoms? FOR EXAMPLE, if i am often depressed, with manic outbursts, then i would be diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but how can that be distinguished from someone with depression and anger management issues. The doctor would prescribe anti-psychotic medication for the bipolar, because I would fit the description of bipolar best. If the doctor examined my symptoms, then the logical course of action would be to prescribe anti-depressants(gonna write another post on this one) and recommend therapy for anger management. I realize this was actually a poor example, but you get the point, that’s my rant for you.

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Eugene Phoa (2) (@Eugene-Phoa) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

That’s a good point. Because then you can sell a “solution”

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cricket (0) (@crickets) 2 years, 3 months ago ago

Think is might have to do with the drugs that person is getting to treat his imaginary disorder. After all the drugs do make you feel drugged.!!!

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