I love to argue and express my opinions, but I try to be as nice as possible. I joined so I could really think and try new things. I find many people I meet are closed minded and stuck in the physical, day to day aspects of life. I wish I knew someone smart, open minded, and willing to argue and try new things with me.
Hello Crystal, welcome to arguaholics anonymous. (Couldn’t help it, haha)
You’ve come to the right place, although there are many close minded people here too there is lots of wisdom to be found and shared and arguments to be had.
I look forward to reading your stuff
Haha yup, that was taken at German Fest :) I did not end up kissing the pig, or eating any of it, for that matter haha. And if you look closely, you can see the two pairs of hands forcing my head down :D
Yes! I am all for a wild manimal sign somewhere ;)
I wouldn’t say argue if i were you, because that makes you seem like your a hot-headed, close-minded person (although you said you were nice as nice as possible when arguing lol)… i’d go with debate =)
Nice to see new open-minded and intelligent people joining on a regular basis! Looking forward to reading more posts by you and debating with you! (even though i like agreeing better =P haha)
Nothing wrong with argument mate. Keep an open mind about that :D
Argument in discussion is as follows:
“In philosophy and logic, an argument is an attempt to persuade someone of something, by giving reasons or evidence for accepting a particular conclusion. The general structure of an argument in a natural language is that of premises (typically in the form of propositions, statements or sentences) in support of a claim: the conclusion. Many arguments can also be formulated in a formal language. An argument in a formal language shows the logical form of the natural language arguments obtained by its interpretations.”
Arguments between couples or friends are more accurately described as fights not arguments.
Consider the tradition of Tibetan Monks:
According to the Tibetan Monks, Debating is their integral part of
religious practice. One of the striking features of Tibetan debates
is that they are quite physical. They are marked by emphatic
gestures, such as the clapping used by the questioner to punctuate
Tibetan debate involves prescribed modes of behavior. The debate
starts, with a ritual invocation of Manjushri in a loud and high-
pitched tone. The debater then puts his questions in a very low
voice barely audible to the audience.
The Tibetan tradition is quite aware of the dangers of debate but
sees them as counterbalanced by its benefits. Because debates are
intensely physical, participants can give vent to considerable
Tibetan scholars love debate for their internal clarity. They become
excited when they talk about it and miss it once their training is
finished. Older scholars often advise students to savor their times
as debaters: “This is the best time in the life of a scholar. After
this, all fades in comparison.”
They get heated, they get crazy but it feeds the intellectual soul and gives you more certainty or doubt such as is appropriate.
Davor: Nice to meet you haha I hope you live up to that :)
Syn. Ther. : Thanks and why what?
Fleeton Wells: I’d hate to give the wrong impression, but without arguments and people challenging what you think and say you wouldn’t learn more and see from other’s points of view! Agreeing is for people hoping to make friends and connections, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Some people say I’m a kiss ass because I always try to get along with other people. But I’m here to think! I will say debate in the future though….
Peter Cowen: That’s super interesting!!!! Thanks for sharing this info, I think this society could use some more debates, Tibetan Monk style haha.
Particularly “This is the best time in the life of a scholar after all fades in comparison”
When I really get into an argument, the nitty gritty and I’m combing the web for sources and the thread is weaving into many varied complex nuances of the argument I’ve had times where I’ve devoted an entire night to an argument at the expense of all else and damn that feels good.
Syn. Ther.: Sorry, still don’t completely understand….
Peter: That’s true. And its always too bad when you feel everything you say and think in an argument is wasted on who you’re arguing with because it just goes over their head. Hopefully putting all that work into an argument pays off!!
Usually if I’m willing to go into that level of detail and that complex an argument the other debator has already proven a huge amount of intellectual capacity and willingness to engage on a level worthy of the effort.
At the minute on another site I’m debating truth, pragmatism and objectivism and whether the pragmatist position is flawed (haven’t got onto objectivism yet) and whether an accord can be reached. Debate looks promising could be an all week job to be honest. It is an awesome way to spend your time though I did miss yoga to do this….damn.
@crystal I totally agree about debates helping others see different point of views. I just like civilized ones; not ones where ignorance takes over and people say things that are untrue and hurtful =)
@peter that is really interesting! but to most people (imo, doesn’t mean its true) they equate the word “argument” to “fight” because as you said with the Tibetan Monks arguments can get really heated, but i believe that on this website were trying to stay in a more peaceful and agreeable state. The word “debate” is pretty much exactly the same as “argument” but most people (imo. doesn’t mean its true) equate debate to a more civilized kind of argument where things don’t get too out of hand. That’s all i really meant by my statement =)
Haha yeah but I think we have to understand getting heated on this site shouldn’t immediately be frowned upon so long as it doesn’t devolve into personal attacks that are utterly meaningless and without merit. I recall an argument about Zeitgeist that got very fraught and heated and intense yet at the end of it on another thread myself and another poster found common ground.
@peter From now on I plan to do a quick intellingence check of the person I disagree with, see if it’s worth the argument. Woah, that is an interesting topic, I’d have to think about that one…. I feel your pain though, I have to get back into yoga :p
@Fleeton You are totally right, when it gets personal and just stupid you end up wasting your time defending your point with someone isn’t intelligent to even understand your argument. Another reason this is a good site, it seems to at least stay civilized.
Arguing is awesome as long as both parties keep it respectful.
This website is unique because people can handle disagreement. I find that with a lot of people I meet, they take disagreement personally. It is taboo to directly contradict someone, and seen as rude, even when you keep personal attacks out of it.