The people in the power are losing the control over the people.
Each day there are more and more people getting together.
Things will change, in a way or another.
The Greatest Speech Ever Made:
testing wall street september 1st
“A video story of a peaceful protest test on Wall Street last Thursday Sept.1st, showing that we are living in a police state.
Each of us who were detained will return there again, brining friends over.
We cary our beliefs and no fears.
More and more people will be coming beginning September 17th.
Meaningless nonsense charges against us will be dismissed in a court, as it was with one of us, the person who was kept in jail that night and brought to the court the next day.
We believe in our constitutional rights for freedom of speech and peaceful demonstrations.”
Any thoughts about September 17th?
There are many protests rising in the whole world. I really think we are near a big change.
But I think more people need to think about it. Most of the people I know doesn’t care about anything and they just live in a walking daze.
thoughts and/or comments?
This looks promising. I’m trying to promote this type of movement in my country also.
What I don’t understand is what exactly are the “demands”. What is the expected result of this? Or is this a way of awakening the larger population and making people think?
I know a forum where they are organize most of those protest and operations:
I found the answer here:
Who is Occupy Wall Street?
Occupy Wall Street is leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%.
The original call for this occupation was published by Adbusters in July; since then, many individuals across the country have stepped up to organize this event, such as the people of the NYC General Assembly and US Day of Rage. There’ll also be similar occupations in the near future such as October2011 in Freedom Plaza, Washington D.C.
What Is This “One Demand”?
What we demand from our government is for the people to decide through democratic consensus, not this website. A Facebook poll started by Adbusters suggests the demand might be an end to corporate personhood.
Facebook Pool, you can vote:
I still think that while we have money and the market, we will always have problems, thats why:
I really think the Ideas of the Zeitgeist and Venus Project of the Resource Based Economy will be the only possible solution to all the problems. But I don’t think we can do it right know, because there is not enough people who know and understand about it.
All of this is something that I feel comfortable sitting behind. Something that I can research and learn without thinking that I’m wasting my time. Thanks for posting this Arthur.
In Australia, since 9/11, mostly under former Prime Minister John Howard, we have anti-terrorist laws.
You may experience detention and “questioning” by Australian security intelligence organisation for up to a week without being suspected of a crime. Organisations can be systematically banned by the government. Control orders for house arrest for up to a year. Detention without charge or trial for up to 14 days. Covert surveillance on non-suspects. Even searches of private property by police without warrants. And many more, actually there are 54 in all.
I know it is so they can better protect us, at least that is how it is justified, but it sounds a little bit like China or something. What do you guys think?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” – John F. Kennedy
“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. ” – Thomas Jefferson
“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.” – V
Today is The Day!
This website will broadcast the Wall Street Occupation in NYC that will start on Saturday, September 17, 2011. The channel will also feature live stream from solidarity protests and events in Spain, Greece, France, Belgium, Iceland and other places around the globe.
about the demand:
Groups Plan To ‘Occupy Wall Street,’ But Their Goal Is Not Yet Set
#RefRef – Denial of Service ( DDoS ) Tool Developed by Anonymous:
apparently total media blackout of today’s #occupywallstreet goo.gl/Vx1J2 | modest CNN exception: goo.gl/8ijGD
NO MEDIA IS COVERING OR EVEN MENTIONING THE #OCCUPYWALLSTREET EVENT. TO AVOID A BIGGER CROWD!
EVERYONE SPREAD IT!!! IT’S TIME FOR REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!
some news to what is going on:
they doesn’t have battery anymore to stream, but they asked for people to get more battery supply.
and it seems that they had cut the electric power, to try to prevent communication.
foxnews tried to discredit the event
The internet is being censored! Any mention of the occupy wall street live feed on facebook WILL NOT show up on your news feed! If you remake the link into a tinyurl as I did (http://tinyurl.com/occupywallst), it will not paste into a message on Windows Live Messenger. Spread the word. Don’t let the government control what you can and can’t see.”
there is a video on CNN about the protest:
I’m wondering what they are protesting for, what changes they suggest. I visited the website and just got a load of vague nonsense as their “manifesto” and if they really wanted a protest at those responsible for current state of affairs then why are they at Wall Street?
Why not at the banks and why not in Washington? And ultimately just why?
It seems to me they are protesting mostly to raise awareness of their causes and to inform regular people on the street just how out of hand corporate greed has become, and how popular indifference condones it. As for the location, I think it’s mostly symbolic, to show those who work on Wall Street that some people are aware of who is really to blame for the state of things. It isn’t just the banks or just the government. It’s them and all of big business/the elite together. The artificially increased scarcity and competition behind these times is because the profit system doesn’t benefit from and therefore doesn’t want to actually solve anything.
The government particularly the USA granted the right of personhood to corporations (even though the court case that determined said personhood actually didn’t grant it, problems with court reporting and what was actually wanted by corporations and government) and are fundamental to granting the power to corporations without personhood and lobbying they would have no power. EVERYTHING that business holds over us is down to the government.
So why aren’t they outside Goldman Sachs in West Street? This is the bank that has a merrygoround between government regulation boards and their own board of directors, or were you not aware of this? The list is extraordinary if you don’t believe I can hunt it out and post it.
@ Peter I was not aware of this. I don’t agree with the right of personhood to corporations but that’s another matter, I facepalmed (for lack of a better term) when the Supreme Court removed limits on corporate contributions to candidates. I see that everything business holds over us is down to government, in the sense that the government doesn’t stand up to the interests of business, or is probably in on it themselves.
I do believe you; would you mind posting the list anyway?
I can’t see a feasible way to get money out of politics and elections but it must happen as this is the biggest barrier to freedom in this world bar none.
This is not a complete list just the first one I googled but in some ways its better as it shows employees of Goldman Sachs and their international influence as well.
Oh by the way please take note, Obama man of the people, elected by Goldman Sachs!
They are well-credentialed, partly by design. From its beginning when the German immigrant Marcus Goldman began discounting IOUs among the diamond merchants of New York in the 1870s, Goldman Sachs has always known about the power of the network of influence. Goldman hires former politicians and civil servants, as readily as it supplies them.
And then there is simply the intellectual quality of the employees, many hired as much youngster men via a gruelling interview process, and then forged in the fire of 17-hour work days.
With Goldman Sachs at the heart of Wall Street, and Wall Street at the heart of the US economy, few expects its power to wane. Indeed, The New York Times columnist David Brooks noted that Goldman Sachs employees have given more money to Barack Obama’s campaign for president than workers of any other employer in the US. “Over the past few years, people from Goldman Sachs have assumed control over large parts of the federal government,” Brooks noted grimly. “Over the next few they might just take over the whole darn thing.”
From his post as professor and director of global leadership at Tsinghua University in Beijing, the former Goldman Sachs co-chief operating officer John Thornton has become a highly-influential figure in the developing business and poltical inter-relations between the US and China. He was Goldman’s boss in Asia in the mid-Nineties and remains well connected in the East and the West.
Wall Streeters joked about a Goldman Sachs “takeover” of the New York Stock Exchange. Hank Paulson, the Goldman boss on the NYSE board, moved to oust the chairman, Dick Grasso, and recommended the then chief operating officer of Goldman, John Thain, as Mr Grasso’s replacement. Mr Thain modernised the exchange as demanded by Goldman, and Mr Thain’s old Goldman deputy, Duncan Niederauer, is in charge.
The former co-chief executive of Goldman went into full-time politics in 1999, having lost the internal power struggle that preceded the company’s stock-market flotation in 1999. He has been governor of New Jersey since 2006, having spent the previous six years in the US Senate. His 2000 Senate election campaign was then the most expensive ever in the US, and Corzine spent $62m of his own money.
For five years until 1999, Mr Bolten served as director of legal affairs for Goldman based in London, effectively making him the bank’s chief lobbyist to the EU. The Republican lawyer aided George Bush’s 2000 election campaign, helped co-ordinate policy in the White House and has been the President’s chief of staff since 2006.
The man heading London’s planning for the 2012 Olympic Games, Paul Deighton amassed a fortune estimated at over £100m during his two decades at Goldman Sachs, where he had been one of its most powerful investment bankers.
A US Treasury secretary under Bill Clinton, Mr Rubin could once again emerge as a powerful figure in Washington if Barack Obama wins the presidency, since he has maintained his influence on Democrat politics. Mr Rubin reached the second-highest rung at Goldman, becoming co-chief operating officer before joining the US government in 1993.
The ex-chairman of the BBC still has the ear of Gordon Brown, to whom he has been a good friend and informal adviser. He is married to the Prime Minister’s aide Sue Nye. Mr Davies spent 15 years as an economist at Goldman. He was commissioned to report on the future funding of the BBC by Mr Brown in 1999. Two years later, he was poached to chair it.
This former Goldman trader is, without question, the most influential stock pundit in the US. Hectoring and shouting his investment advice nightly on his CNBC show, Mad Money, he routinely moves share prices. His primal scream against the Federal Reserve (“They know nothing”) was a YouTube sensation last year, as the central bank refused to lower interest rates to ease the pain of the credit crisis on Wall Street.
Goldman provided a lucrative home to Robert Zoellick, the neo-conservative Republican, between the time he quit as Condoleezza Rice’s deputy at the State Department in 2006 (having not secured the job he coveted as Treasury Secretary, when it went to Hank Paulson) and his appointment last year as head of the World Bank. At Goldman he had acted as head of international affairs, a kind of global ambassador and networker-in-chief.
The head of the Italian central bank is another example of the revolving door between Goldman and public service. Mr Draghi had been an academic economist, an executive at the World Bank and a director-general of the Italian treasury before joining Goldman as a partner in 2002. He is becoming a significant figure in the response to the credit crisis, chairing the financial stability forum of central banks, finance ministries and regulators.
Treasurer for the opposition Liberal Party, Mr Turnbull is one of the fastest-rising politicians in Australia. He was the aggressive advocate who took on and beat the British Government in the Spycatcher trial of the former MI5 agent Peter Walker, but he then pursued a career in business and ran Goldman Australia from 1997 to 2001, before jumping in to politics to serve as environment minister under John Howard.
Cometh the hour, cometh the man. President George Bush must be delighted he lured a reluctant Hank Paulson away from his $38m-a-year job as Goldman Sachs chief executive in 2006, just in time to deal with the Wall Street crisis that has engulfed the entire US economy. The bird-watching enthusiast had been a surprising choice as Treasury secretary, since his environmentalism was at odds with much of Bush’s policy.
No worries, I’ve long since been disillusioned with Obama and his empty promises, almost since right after I voted for the bastard (not that I think McCain would have been better, if at all).
….er….watch this video. This is one of the biggest misconceptions which makes most anticapitalist beliefs rather ludicrous:
(from the harvard economic blog of Greg Mankiw, about another Harvard economics professor)
ProBusiness is anticapitalist. Business doesn’t like competition because it makes them work harder so the work with the government to eliminate competition.