Hello guys, this sounds strange, but I think this gets ignored due to familiarity blindness and sheer laziness of thought so I want individual opinions answering this: Is truth objective? Subjective? Both? Or a made up human concept, and therefore a type of work-in-progress?
Hi Mark :)
Alright.. I don’t think truth is objective or subjective. Maybe both :) Truth is definitely a made up human concept, and in the collective mind maybe it is a work in progress.
“Truth” to ME, can’t be described with words. Truth is life. Truth is what’s real. It’s a life force. Words aren’t doing it though..bc they can’t. What do you think?
Truth is the collapsed waveform of an observed phenomenon. Truth is what is, rather than what could be.
On a scientific level, truth is objective. Things are what they are. Water is H2O, and it will never be anything else. Conversely, H2O will never be anything besides water (or steam, or ice, technically, but they’re all just different states of the same matter.) This all changes when you get down to the quantum level, of course, where things get INCREDIBLY crazy and fun…
On a philosophical level, truth is entirely subjective, and I’m not even sure truth actually exists. Nothing is black-and-white. Everyone has their own opinions, their own experience, and nobody can ever know the opinions and experience of somebody else as fully as they know their own. Therefore, morality and meaning is entirely relative to each person. However, we can also never know the full scope of all the consequences that would arise from each “morally ambiguous” decision, and therefore even our own “morality” is biased and flawed.
I disagree, I think people put “too much” detail into truth, and I think this is where the philosophical branch of metaphysics comes in. Take for instance the time of the day… say its midnight right now, that might not be true for you or for someone else, for it to be “true” i have to specify Eastern timezone. Now it gets even hairier, especially in situations like PP with abortions (this is not an arguement about it I swear! Im using this because I just saw it on the TV), if PP gets money and it all goes in the same pot… how exactly is it true to say they are not spending money on abortions… even inadvertently.
Truth is an organism, not solid but evolving or degrading depending on its environment. Above all it is just a general accepted value loosely based on cultural and personal characteristics. If there is any truth it most likely can be found in physics although even there assumptions are found.
Truth is a great tool for allowing the mind to base its capacity allocation on, as truth (as a given) will not require further “investigation” and valuation.
my 2 cts.
Well said Matt :)
So Mark I think what you’re getting at, maybe, is that “truth” depends on point of view or perspective. Midnight for me is afternoon to a chinaman.. I think you may be right that we put too much thinking into “what’s true” and “what’s not.” The truth is (haha), that the truth doesn’t need anyone to believe in it to be true… it JUST IS, you can’t philosophize your way around it or deny it.
@Syn, Ther. thank you for your $.02 :) Your first paragraph’s got my neurons pumping :)
I’d say there are a few definitions of truth.. Events as fact. Did X happen or did it not; did someone say Z or did they not? There’s Truth as in Goodness. There’s truth in how people feel. I think truth is so free-form that you can’t really give it a proper definition.
@em thank you, I love the work in progress idea for the “collective mind,” that’s pretty much my concept for truth, truth of ideas anyways, and the life-force idea (the most mysterious truth to me is why life wants to live at all). @Syn.ther those are well worth the copper, I particularly liked the first sentence. @matt great insight I think I agree w/the science aspect and see where you’re comimg from with the philosophy. @second Mark (no I wasn’t both, just the first – well, and this one), I see why you say that, because people try to manipulate and misrepresent it constantly so it gets difficult, but I think we should strive individually to not let that discourage us from being curious and improving our “truth literacy”