Ian (@geryon89) 5 years, 8 months ago

I guess I just think it’s strange how confident so many people are in their opinions. You’d think people would come here because they don’t have all the answers, or because they weren’t sure of whatever answers they thought they had and want to discuss them. It makes me feel like some people are only here to show off how smart they think they are. I guess I just expect to find something different when I log on to HE, but it’s often the same judgmental attitude, elitism, self-importance that I see everywhere else.
I recognize the obvious critiques to stating something like this. Anyone can be a member, and that is a good thing. I just think perhaps some people should have a little more compassion and respect for the fact that everyone is on their own journey. There’s no need for nastiness and making people feel small. Also people should stop thinking they have all the answers to everything, because in 5 years they could be saying the opposite of what they are saying today.
I actually am a little unsure about how I feel about all of this, and not particularly afraid to admit it. I realize of course people will believe in what they are saying, and it is a good thing to have confidence in what you believe otherwise people can easily take advantage of you. I also think it is stupid to preface everything with “of course maybe I am wrong” because after saying it once it is pretty meaningless.
thoughts? am i the only one who feels this way?

August 14, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Daniel august (12) (@danielaugust) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

@geryon89, i just joined this community today, and I’ve already noticed the kind of posts you are talking about. Yeah, i mean it’s alright to have a differing opinion, but there are ways to respectively disagree that some posters need to learn.

Daniel august (12) (@danielaugust) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

And you say you’re a little unclear about it all. well honestly no one knows for certain. it’s all postulation. i personally subscribe to the idea of a cosmic consciousness. That i am just one aperture through which it is living, my ego the product of my current experience and brain chemistry. I’m not saying this is correct, only that i as an individual have come upon this answer through meditation and personal spiritual experiences that hold only meaning to me.

Pilgrim (7) (@thedevin16) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

I know what you’re saying man. Everyone is, more or less, on their path to their own happiness. Sometimes we can’t see that in others and we think that because our own happiness, at this or that time worked, that it will work for others during their unhappiness or maybe even their current happiness. It’s selfish and we need to be selfless. But then again, this is just my opinion and i may be wrong, just as yourself ;)

Anonymous (2,653) (@) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

Some people just want to watch the world burn! @geryon89, I see what you mean, but there’s also good to note that saying something and expecting that everyone would agree with you is plain fucking stupid since it’s impossible. That’s why there are discussions to see who agrees and who doesn’t and why not. That’s the journey, to get to know how people think so we get to know how we think and have more confidence about it. The more experience you have with people’s beliefs the more you’re going to be qualified to choose if they should be in your circle. Nothing but logic.

Over-confidence though is something I don’t see on HE, except on rare occasions where people still have a brain in their head for seeing things from a different point of view. People really don’t have all the answers, but if you are even having a debate with them you could be sure that they have the answers that are important for them.

“am i the only one who feels this way?”

How you feel is a completely different topic. :)

Anonymous (2,833) (@) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

I’m way too confident in my opinions. . . Once in a while on here someone really gets to me and changes my beliefs.

But yeah I rub myself in other’s faces :)

Ray Butler (1,422)M (@trek79) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

I agree, it just doesn’t bother me. What you are complaining about is the same old shit you have faced and will continue to face, no organization that you will ever join has completely over come this. Any bulk of knowledge, no matter how good its intent, serves only to cloud the distinction between righteousness and judgementality. To simply be aware of that often is not enough but one has to realize the disposability of knowledge to achieve impartiality.
People are apparently over confident because they cannot afford not to be, their entire structure of sensibility depends upon their understanding, and to remove any stone threatens “Jenga”. However, any structure that has not stood to the storm is not proven dependable, if a person has the confidence in their belief then they should submit it to scrutiny, and if they are not confident in it then that is all the more reason to submit it to scrutiny.
I think that in most cases you over-estimate their confidence, they are stating their case only to see if anyone can offer something to convince them they are living a lie, the same fear we all have, the more fundamental it is to them the more they accentuate its importance, importance to them. But this is not over confidence it is defensive in nature. But they offer the opinion because if it is wrong they want to know, especially the more fundamental it is to their structure of sensibility.

Ray Butler (1,422)M (@trek79) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

But most of them are not looking for someone to tell them or show them they are wrong, they are looking for things that will help them decide for themselves to adapt their belief or change it. As you said, it is a work in progress for all of us.

DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

You speak the truth. I find myself saying the phrase, again and again, that everyone is at a different point on their way to enlightenment, and so to judge others based on their position is to show how far YOU have left to travel.

I can only hope that the tone of HE supports itself through the rising number of users, or that someone can come up with a way of aiding in keeping the nature of everyone’s journey in mind while using the HE.

Anonymous (2,653) (@) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

Everybody else is “YAH!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-0OXcNGB6M

seahlontay (2) (@slont) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

90% of people in the world walk around with a naggy little (sometimes very loud) whisper in the back of their heads criticising and negatively judging every action they put forward in the day.

The other 10% are super confident, really coool looking and appear most at ease with themselves.
…And those people are on Cocaine.

Daniel Simonsen -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgTM6ArASI

Like the inquisitive ambivalence of you questioning Ian.
All we can do is make judgements for ourselves, and share them as politely as humanly possible.
We are all on a personal and yet paradoxically collective Journey through life.

Right and wrong, yes and no, yah or nay?
At the moment I’m seeing things through a lens of ‘states of difference’

Hope you enjoy Mr. Simonsen :)

Martijn Schirp (112,759)A (@martijn) 5 years, 8 months ago ago

“but it’s often the same judgmental attitude, elitism, self-importance that I see everywhere else.”

Please confront the persons who do this. We are all here to learn, and sometimes we need a bit of the bitter truth.

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