the nihilism crisis

Profile photo of stephen stephen (@zerek) 2 years, 4 months ago

this refers to my own problems with nihilism.

this is my first attempt at a blog so all tips and criticism is welcomed.

in Albert Camus essay the myth of Sisyphus he tackles what he believes is the fundamental question of philosophy “whether life is, or is not worth living” . what i drew from his writing was that there was no apparent meaning for life at all, that is not to say it is not worth living. Camus tells us to scorn this principle of life without purpose by enjoying it.

so keeping it rather brief i ask to myself and to you, is merely living for the sake of enjoyment reason enough to go on? 

 

August 11, 2015 at 3:33 pm
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Jordan Bates (4,463)A (@bashfulkoala) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

in my view, yes, absolutely. Nietzsche came to the same conclusion — that experience itself is enough. i wrote at-length about my thoughts on this in a blog post once, if you’re interested:

http://www.refinethemind.com/thought-experiment-experience-nothing/

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stephen (29) (@zerek) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

sweet, thanks. Il check it out :)

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Daniel Moberly (0) (@thedmob472) 2 months ago ago

I know this comment was 2 years ago but I checked out your rap on bandcamp from that link and dude your stuff is really good. I love the trippy vibe you have in that album Existential Risk, really good shit!

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Jordan Bates (4,463)A (@bashfulkoala) 2 months ago ago

thanks man!! : ) much appreciated!

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Dhyan (37) (@Dhyan) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

No,  goodbye  see you next lifetime :-) 

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Garik Tate (18)M (@Garik) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Well I always found this to be rather superfluous question.

We are HERE. If you don’t want to be here then leave (I’m not judging if you decide to kill yourself). If you want to be here then stay (and hopefully try to live awesomely).

But the idea that it’s the job of philosophers to come up with an objective answer and then tell the rest of us whether we should kill ourselves or not is bullshit. It’s inherently an individualistic decision.

But perhaps I have a misconstrued picture of how philosophers are viewing the question.

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stephen (29) (@zerek) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

well id say that most philosopher do (or well try to) answer the question of life in an individual manner but in a way that anyone can relate to. They pose questions to ask yourself for you to judge on whether your life is worth living or not. I haven’t heard of any philosophers that have said everyone should die (if you know please link) and the majority of existentialists come up with the view that life is worth living despite having no apparent purpose.  

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de$h (0) (@madhesh3) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

This is why Nietzsche hates philosophers.

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stephen (29) (@zerek) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

elaborate? 

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Heartcomm (2) (@Heartcomm) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Camus said live in rebellion against the absurdities around you. My vote comes from a piece of graffiti I found in a dingy alley-  “Exist loudly!”

whatever you do, make a splash, if you go out, go with a bang not a whimper. If you stay, make sure everybody knows you’re here.

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SageGreenSeas (0) (@SageGreenSeas) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

um… yeah if you can manage it right you can love life why not take the gifts you’ve been given and make the most out of them. see what you can do.

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St Emilion (2,991) (@manimal) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Well yeah of course it’s worth going on. Something is better than nothing. And if life itself is not enough you can always find something stimulating.

Getting crazy immersed in a particular interest, or partying like a mad cunt.

Finding love. Or fucking around like a crazy fiend.

Creating. Or destroying.

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GarrettMc (59) (@GarrettMc) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

I do not believe Camus proposes that we should continue life simply to enjoy it. He proposes that the reason not to commit suicide is a submission of oneself to the apparent absurdity of the universe. He says that, while life may be apprently meaningless and absurd, the only response humans can have is defiance. We defy the absurdity through enjoyment because that is exactly what the absurd tries to strip away from us. While the indifference and absurdity contains so much power, humans still have to the power to defy it. And that, is why we should keep living

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jocelynk (4) (@jocelynk) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Good summary. It’s hard to understand, and there are many reasons, you can’t really know for the most part till you think for a while. To me I guess I’m happy to keep living until I let myself down and then death seems like an ok option for me. But it takes a while to figure out.

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Mike Wuest (509) (@mikeyw829) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

Living based on a philosophical idea has no substance. If you convince yourself of reasons to live (or not live) based on ideas, you’re missing the point.

Thought is the problem in many cases. We apply it much too broadly for it to be an effective tool anymore.

There is no philosophical answer. Feeling alive is reason enough in itself. And when you feel alive, you feel enjoyment. It doesn’t need to be validated through reason.

It’s also a premature to assume that there is no meaning to life. There is actual meaning, but there is no meaning you can come up with through thought that will encapsulate the truth. You can’t say, “life is worth living because of x.” To me, there is no substance in that.

So I guess I would agree with your final statement. I think following pleasure and enjoyment is a biological and evolutionary imperative. Only humans justify their actions based on ideas and philosophical constructs. Other animals live for the sake of living, and do what is most enjoyable to them. Living doesn’t need to be justified through reason. 

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danisurya (19) (@danisurya) 2 years, 4 months ago ago

jump in it. life is waiting. you are still hesitating! jump!! is so simple!

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abmccull (2) (@abmccull) 1 month, 3 weeks ago ago

Enjoyment, meaning, purpose, these and other similar feelings, I think, are worthwhile. Even if they are an illusion, what is to be lost by allowing yourself to go along with the illusion? I can  understand doubting existence has meaning. However, I have never fully been able to understand why some people feel the need to repudiate what pleasure and experience they can gain from life, however fleeting it may be. I would be interested to hear others’ thoughts on this matter. 

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flower21 (11) (@flower21) 1 month ago ago

Hello there! I think it’s totally all about enjoying your life. The main gain is to be happy and spend everyday for your better leaving. There are so much wonderful things in the world that bring you positiv emotions: children, your parents and relatives, your beloved, your pets, your wealth, your health, your mind, books, music, work, nature. 

You should enjoy. You should do everything to be happy in this life. No grugs, no killing yourself. Only books and a balance in life. Understanding of all the good stuff that you can squize from this life is covered in your deep mind. So develop yourself, improve, read, enjoy.

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Eric Putkonen (0) (@eputkonen) 1 week, 4 days ago ago

Because there is no meaning to life, this does not equal “not worth living”.  A meaning and purpose is something adults need…to work and to keep working at something.  However, life can be seen as play…something done simply for the joy of it.  Not that life has to be soley pleasurable and going you way.  No game is fun to play without challenges or if you win all of the time.  Sometimes, you have to lose.  But it is possible to enjoy life regardless of what is happening (win or lose).  To find the happiness that does not depend on anything.

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