I’m curious as to what people believe about reincarnation (if you believe about reincarnation.) and I’m going to post my theory here as well as ask that you all post your own or comment/wail on mine.
Time is infinity. There is an infinite amount of time after your death, and there is an infinite amount of time before your life. Even before the big bang, there was already a universe before that that must’ve caused it, this energy, and after the universe now stops expanding and starts contracting, there’ll be yet another big bang to start it over again. The universe, all that exists, the suns and the planets, and our life, is just one, big cycle. Knowing this, that the universe has always existed, perhaps not as it is now but always has, for an infinite amount of time, is comforting. And knowing that the universe will continue to exist, even after the contraction and another big bang, for an infinite amount of time, is also comforting.
Knowing this, however, we realize that we, as humans beings, are not the first sentient beings to exist in the universe. If you think about it, infinity has stretched out forever behind us, and there were probably beings that were very much like us, perhaps better or worse, and they eventually died out. And after we die out, because you know that humans eventually will, there will be other sentient beings that will live on a world like ours or different than ours, and continue to live on.
People, human beings, are filled with the energy of the universe. Our birth is a collection of that energy into a sentient form, and our death is a dispersal of that energy into the universe to be used for something else. There is, however, a chance, a very small statistical chance that that energy will collect itself again, sometime in the future, to create the same human being, in a different situation or time. The chances of this happening are astronomically small, so small that it’s one in 1 with some million digits. So small it seems impossible. And yet, when you multiply that with infinity, it also becomes infinity, and it becomes sure to happen.
So when you die, at some point in the far future, you will be born again, in another time, place, species, planet or situation, and your energy of consciousness will be with you again, and the life you’re living now is just a repetition of the life you’ve already lived before the last big bang, or perhaps even farther back then that. – S’ijto.
I partly agree with this. I am a firm believer that everything we know was created inside the stars. Our lives are fueled by energy, that when we die must go somewhere (energy cannot be created nor destroyed). However, I’m not so sure “the life you’re living now is just a repetition of the life you’ve already lived”. When our sun dies, the Earth will be incinerated and all the energy that once thrived on Earth will be expelled back into space. I just can’t see the chances of your “energy of consciousness”, to come back together in the same way it was before, very high.
they aren’t. but infinity times a very low chance is still infinity. It’s a little hard to grasp, but *eventually* it’ll happen again, because time stretches on and on. When our sun dies, and the universe collapses, the big bang will repeat, and after so and so number of repetitions, our sun will repeat, and after so and so repetitions, the earth will repeat. Etc.
My theory on reincarnation is in accordance with what has been mentioned above me. The universe is infinite, the thing that keeps us from realizing this is our “ego”, which tries to grasp onto time and separate us from the universe. The only thing that is destroyed in death is this “ego”, the sense of separateness. I also agree with the Buddhist philosophy of Samsara. After death, our lives are examined, we each have our own life signature that represents everything we have done or have yet to do/experience in our lives. In a way this signature represents our level of consciousness/awareness/empathy. Along the theme of reincarnation, I believe that everyone will be reincarnated in the form that is necessary for further advancement. If you think about it, you are reincarnated every day when your soul returns from the dreamworld and you find yourself back in your body, back in your ego with your past memories of your identity and your future anticipations of where you’re life is headed. Literally, people who have a hard time getting out of bed due to depression/anxiety are people who’s souls find more pleasure in the dream world and who would rather not re-enter the material body and carry out their daily lives. Every moment can be looked upon as a reincarnation because life always gives you the situation you need to learn and advance, how you advance is determined by your awareness of the moment not your worries of future appointments or past failures. Death is not the end, rather it is the next step in the advancement of the soul towards recognizing itself and becoming enlightened, either in a new body or a higher form.
Will, you think a lot of interesting things, do other dimensions or higher frequencies have any part in your theories?
@ Devon: Thanks man. Yes higher dimensions and frequencies fit nice and neatly into this theory. The universe consists of a spectrum of frequencies. In fact if you look at the circular motion of nearly everything in the universe, it can be mapped as a wave or a frequency. The lower, denser, frequencies are represented in solid matter. As you move up this spectrum things begin to vibrate more rapidly, therefore have higher frequencies. Whether you believe in Darwinian evolution or any form of creationism it is clear that, over time we have developed a capacity to perceive this vibrational reality to the highest level that we are aware of (not counting alien life). The ability to think requires a certain vibrational frequency that can only be transmitted through a brain. The ability to think rationally and creatively requires yet another higher frequency, only capable in humans. Therefore an dog’s awareness vibrates at a lower frequency than a human beings. Dualists believe the mind and body to be separate entities but rather I see it as a spectrum. Our consciousness is a transcended awareness of the lower vibrational field of our bodies. Technology has even proven that our different levels of awareness correspond to different frequencies of awareness i.e. (from lowerst to highest) delta, theta, alpha, beta, gamma. When you are in emotional states such as fear and anxiety you are vibrating in a lower frequency because these frequencies are related to our lower, more primal, animal behaviors. With practice such as meditation, you can become aware of this and literally rise above these frequencies into a higher state of awareness. Many neuroscientists will say that our brains are the creators of consciousness, however I see it as the other way around. Our brains were created as a “radio receptor” for consciousness, and over time we have evolved to be able to tap into higher and higher levels of consciousness. So how do dimensions fit into this? I believe that we live in four dimensions right now. The first two being our planar existence, and the third and fourth being material and time respectively. You may wonder how we can live in the fourth dimension. Well technology has allowed us to bind time. What does a car do? It gets you places faster. It used to take 30 years to cross the united states, now it takes five hours! I have no idea what the next dimension will bring, because I cannot perceive it like I can perceive and interpret the dimensions and frequencies below me. Similarly, we can only see certain colors of the light spectrum. So how do we assist our evolution? By recognizing that the mind is an instrument for our reality and not the creator of reality itself. Those who are identified with the mind will stay trapped in the third and fourth dimensions of reality because they are bound by time and material things. Sound familiar? If you surrender your awareness into the present moment you will recognize the infinity of things. I hope this was not confusing. In the end, everything is related, like an atom is to the universe. The more you look inside yourself the more you will see this reflection in the external world.
So I just wrote this really long post that I wasnt even done with and accidently clicked on another website to erase what I just wrote.. GRRRR lol. anyways ill sum it up. haha. I do believe in reincarnation and I do beleive in the spirit that survives death as we call it. Just look into some of the work of Elisabeth Kubler-Ross, Ian Stevenson, Gary Swartz and plenty of other people. I mean just look into the triple blind study that Dr. Gary Swartz with Susie Smith. Here is the link on how I found out about it . Its a audio clip so fast foward to about 14:00 and listen in for a few minutes. I would like to hear what people think about this please.
Our consciousness is formed by the ability of the complexities inherent in our neural matrices to harness intentional changes in the quantum states of the ionic pathways that cause specific neurons to fire. Through the development of our growth since birth our ‘selves’ teach our brains to recognize our mental intentions that then manifest into physical reality.
kinda off the subject of reincarnation but it fits with where the thread was heading..
as for reincarnation.. we are always in our own ‘heaven’ or ‘hell’ based on the viewpoint we choose to see the world as.. our spiritual energy that constructs our ‘selves’ will return (once we ‘die’) to the collective mass of spirtual force that surrounds the Earth encased and encoded in it’s electro-magnetic field (that is also affected by the Sun and all the celestial bodies).
@tim, it’s so cool you brought up the idea of heaven and hell based on the view point we see the world as. I had a very similar thought a few days ago but it goes off in a slightly different direction.
Basically there are many theories about what happens after we die. Some faiths believe in reincarnation, some heaven and hell, and some just heaven. I personally my own theory that I concocted myself – but it isnt the idea that I am about to convey.
My university has giant philanthropy event every year for kids with cancer. this year we raised $380,000. Regardless, a bunch of cancer patients came to speak about their lives at the event.
This one girls story about all the pain and suffering she has been through in her life brought me to tears, she is only a teenager. Her story got me thinking about her life and why she was posed with cancer at a young age. She was undoubtedly going through “hell”.
And thats when it hit me, could the mythical afterlife of heaven and hell both exist on earth simultaneously? Tim, this is where our viewpoints slightly differ. Basically if we are speaking about reincarnation as an absolute fact, we must also accept 2 stipulations.
1. That I am in essence my soul, which has lived thousands to millions of lives in order to seek liberation from the body and end the cycle of rebirth (samsara)
2. The law of karma, which basically states that each action performed under the ignorance of our true essential being (each action – good or bad- that we commit as people), will basically dictate to who, where, and under what circumstances that we are born in future lives.
So say in my last life I was a noble individual who was always honest, kind, and generous. It could be safe to say that in my next life I would be born in to a great circumstance, great health, wealth etc. aka HEAVEN
However, If in my last life say I was a horrible person, who lied to, stole from, and cheated all those around me. I could be born into a less than fortunate situation, into slums, on the streets, with poor health, constant suffering etc. aka HELL.
Do you see where I am going with this? I find it to be an interesting idea.
It’s like the fusion of heaven and hell and reincarnation. What do you guys think?
I am saying there really is no “afterlife”, just life (i.e. where you are right now(how you view things) and that determines whether you are currently in a state of heaven or hell (content and intentionally happy or pessimistic and debbie downer (the choice is ours(and ours alone)to determine)).
It’s all just a continuation of life and our current souls are simply where we are right now (whatever WE are(identity, that’s a whole other semi-related topic(We’re all viruses with shoes)))
Great posts, I agree alot with you Will. Everything is impermanent, that is, everything is changing all the time at once. ‘You’ change every single moment (thoughts, emotions, reality you’re perceiving and your body). So there’s a continuum that we call ‘you’ and when you die that continuum will continue in just a different form as a wave continues in a different form in an ocean. The wave will cease to exist but the ocean is still there. But that wave isn’t a seperate entity that is ‘waving’, its the ocean that is waving. And in the same way the universe is I’ing.
Reincarnation is interesting. Briefly stated, the evidence which might support reincarnation includes past-life recollections of children, natural talents/abilities, physical evidence such as birthmarks and scars on people who recall injuries in those spots from previous lives, and some psychological and sociological traits, such as phobias, compulsions and obsessions. While such claims should obviously be taken with a grain of salt, it is indeed interesting to consider the possibility of the survival of consciousness in some form after bodily death.
Its interesting to think about reincarnation from a statistical perspective also. If the universe turns out to be ‘infinitely’ large, then somewhere out there, a being with the same sense of ‘you’ exists. In fact, an infinite amount of ‘you’ would exist with the full range of butterfly effect possibilites.
We think of reincarnation as happening linearly. Birth > Death > Birth > Death. But it seems more likely that it is all happening at the same time (or has already happened) and we are just constrained to one at a time.
Why does this thread contain two threads that are completely separate? Am I crazy or is that what’s going on?
Anyways, on the topic it says this is, I don’t believe in it, but I have ideas about reincarnation. Perhaps, this life is a scene in an infinite movie and the only way to stop the constant reincarnation after death is to rid yourself of the script that society makes us. Be one with the universe and fully let go to it, possibly by entering a higher consciousness.
@eric, I thought that as well, but I’m high so I wasn’t exactly sure. :P
You can’t destroy energy though, so reincarnation of some form must exist, but wanting to hold on to your individuality is another thing. I don’t think it matters, but personally I hope to reincarnate, or transform into a more complex consciousness.
I was listening to Alan Watts last night and he was talking about reincarnation. I never thought of it as a high possibility until after what he said. I am going to paraphrase here, so bare with me.
Consider the time before you were born. Obviously, you can’t remember it for there is nothing to remember. There wasn’t anything, it was nothingness. Now, out of this nothingness came something: life, you, consciousness, this universe, etc. Consider now death. When you die, the most rational conclusion would be that you cease to exist. Once again, there is nothingness. Now, wouldn’t it it make sense for if you sprang out of nothingness, you would do so if you “entered” nothingness again? I believe so, and if that is what happens when you die (nothingness), and life proceeds nothingness, then reincarnation is real.
Oh and there are apparently two threads in this so focus on the reincarnation one for now while I try and fix this. (the split button is working) @jordan
I try not to think about reincarnation a lot, I feel like it drives my ego into trying to better myself for my “next life.” I believe I should give everything I have in this life, because even If I were to reincarnate, I don’t think I would recall anything from this life. I wonder what effects reincarnation, maybe it’s the souls urge to grow from past experiences.