the jew-ish people today living in Israel and other places across the globe are not the real jews according to nationality…they are jewish by religion via jeudaism…the real jews are the 12 tribes of israel, the seedline of jacob…who are they? i think i know!, lets discuss
Remember that stuff took place a couple of thousand years ago (if it even did take place) so the blood lines spread out and there would logically be hundreds of thousands of descendants. If not millions.
And the jews living in Israel are of the same race as the ancient jews, so they should be “jews by blood.”
And then there’s the whole conspiracy thing about the twelve bloodlines and whatever. But I don’t believe in that stuff.
You think you know who they are, so share it!
Seeker, this whole line of questioning feels like a trap of some sort – like you have an opinion you want to share rather than truly seeking opinions. When you refer to “goofy guys with little hats on the back of there [sic] heads”, your posts read as somewhat aggressive – or at least biased.
That said, Manimal is right: blood lines spread out, especially with Jews who have lived in the diaspora (that is, all over the world rather than concentrated into a homeland) for hundreds of years. The Jewish faith attempts to clarify by following blood lines through mothers, who are indisputable unlike fathers, but how to identify all of the people who converted from or away from Judaism over all of these centuries?
according to the bible jacob had 12 sons which became the children of israel hence jacob was re named israel by god…..the twleve tribes, judah, benjamin, etc…the so called black americans are really hebrew israelittes…they are not africans….africans come from ham….jesus was from the tribe of judah and clearly was a man brown man…from his description in the bible….just like the bible says the israelittes would put put in captivity in a strange land in ships….and thats what happened to the so called african americans….long story short….the so called african americans , hispanics, native and seminole indians are the real jews and descendants of jacob…loook it up….without the influence of white supremecy, alot of truth comes to light
@sara a jew is not a real jew by converting to jeudaism…a real jew is a hebrew israellite descendant….the bible says in revelation 2:9 – I know thy works and tribulation and poverty and i knwo the blasphemy of them which say they are jews but are not, but are the synagogue of satan…where do so called jew-ISH people wroship?? synagogue
@seeker [and the bloodline goes by the father! he plants the seed…the woman is just the womb….when you plant a seed in yur garden you get that of which seed you planted…the ground is just the mother or womb]
This is not correct for any of the old religions and teachings. Only in modern day is man considered more important than woman in the progression of bloodline. Judaism is passed on from the mother, that’s how it is. Why do you think people were so protective of their daughters/sisters?
You know who usually inherited the throne in those old civilizations? The daughter, and then she chose a man to be the king/pharaoh/leader. It was the custom of all the old traditions, and this is mentioned in the old texts.
judaism is a religion….a JEW is a people…a nation…not something you convert to…..you have leanred a different history then i have…you look only on your side…research what i put down and you will find proof on my side as well…we’ll have to agree to disagree
Look in deuteronomy 28 and continue reading, that will tell you everything. The curses that are given to the Hebrew people are that of the “African American” people in the US. Think about it, Africans hate the “American Negro”. “Blacks” are not African they are Hebrew. For example, why would an angel of the Lord tell Yahshua (Jesus) to go to Egypt to hide (everyone knows ancient egyptinas were Brown people like “African Americans”); furthermore, why would Paul be confused with an Egyptian? In addition, why would Joseph’s brothers not recoginze him standing between two Egyptian guards if he were white? Why would Moses perform a miracle by putting his hand in a cloak and turning it white, then turning it back brown if he weren’t brown to begin with? The truth of the matter is this, Yahshua has fire bronze skin and wool hair (Hebrew/ “African American”). He himself talked about fake Jews in Revelation 2:9. The demonic, polytheistic catholic church turned Yahshua/Jesus white! They are liars! And just as a side note, why would Africans (who are the most tribal individuals on the planet) put themselves into slavery? They (Africans) along with the Palestinians (old Philistines) sold Hebrews into slavery (America). That is the shipping into Egypt again Deuteronomy is talking about. PERIOD! Yahshua is a “Brother”/ “Black Man”, not white!
Truthteller_YAHSHUA BEN YAHWEH IS LORD
First, get the gross misconception that “—–“Africans hate the ‘ “American negro” ‘ ” out of your head. Africans don’t hate African-Americans. I am an African and I know that our people generally have a strong antipathy towards anti-social behaviour regardless of the race or creed of its perpetrator. As an African immigrant in the US, I lived among African-Americans and most of them are truly great, hard-working, and God-fearing citizens. Also, most of them detest the pervasiveness of degeneracy and moral decay that has engulfed the black community in recent years. We are all united by certain commonalities and shared values, including the fear of the Most High Father Yaweh, respect for our elders, respect for one another, self-discipline, hardwork, love for one another, etc. Africans don’t like to see their descendants being held behind bars because of crimes;they don’t want to see able-bodied young people wasting their lives away in gang memberships;they don’t want to see young women selling their bodies on street corners;they don’t want to see young men selling drugs on street corners and killing their brothers over drug and prostitution turfs;they don’t want to see African-Americans waste educational opportunities that most people can only dream about in many parts of the world; and, they certainly don’t want to see their black brothers and sisters living in ignorance in a country where information flows like the Canaanite milk and honey. If Africans hate anything about the so-called American negro, it’s his character, not his humanity. A person’s flawed character could be corrected and that’s precisely why African immigrants can never reject their African-American cousins. If the white man taught you to hold the erroneous belief that Africans don’t love you, you must now and forever purge that notion from your heart and mind, my dear brother. Remember, before you became an African-American, your ancestors who did all the slave labor were Africans. So, it was the enslaved Africans who first endured what was said in the scriptures of Deuteronomy 28. Yes, the descendants of the same Africans;people like you, are all over foreign nations where our people have been scattered—–still suffering because of our Biblical sins and disobedience of Yaweh’s Commandments. The biblical Hebrews and prophets were of the black African stock and heritage, skin tone variations notwithstanding. Others may sow the seeds of discord among us, kill us with deadly viruses manufactured in their chambers of evil and sadism, jail us under laws designed to stall God’s promise, whitewash black history worldwide, subject us to scorn and ridicule, and even do their best to exterminate us—-but we shall triumph above all these and prosper. Lest I forget, did you know that the world’s first civilizations were all black civilizations? http://www.realhistoryww.com. Did you know that the Prophet Abraham was an African? http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2010/09/abrahams-kushite-ancestors.html. Did you know that Nimrod was a kushite ruler? http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2011/06/nimrod-was-kushite-ruler.html. Did you know that ancient or bibilical Hebrews were black people? http://www.angelfire.com/ill/hebrewisrael/printpages/phys.html.
Did you know that Jesus was a black man? http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Jesus/Jesus.htm
JESUS ON GOLD COIN: http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/style/princeton-acquires-gold-coin-with-image-of-jesus-christ
MOSES WAS AN AFRICAN: http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2009/04/moses-two-wives.html
NONE OF THE PROPHETS WERE WHITE EUROPEANS or TURKS
Even the Prophet Mohammed was a black man, too:
TURKS RULE BLACK LANDS !!!
Hello everyone. I know Jews are very interesting people aren’t they? a lot of non-Jewish people want a piece of them whatever the cost is. However, the only way to recognize someone who are the genuine jew is through DNA testing. A lot of people can claim they are jew but are not even if they knew their culture, religion, language and ethnic food. When we look back their ancestors from prehistory of our civilization they came from four episodes of hominine dispersal from Africa to the levant are known, and culturally distinct. The first record of the name Israel (as ysrỉꜣr) occurs in the Merneptah stele, erected for Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah c. 1209 BCE, “Israel is laid waste and his seed is not. This “Israel” in the central highlands as a cultural and probably political entity, but an ethnic group rather than an organized state. Ancestors of the Israelites may have included Semites native to Canaan and the Sea Peoples. It is probably safe to assume that sometime during Iron Age I a population began to identify itself as ‘Israelite’ differentiating itself from the Canaanites through such markers as the prohibition of intermarriage, an emphasis on family history and genealogy, and religion.
For me, I draw my conclusion base on facts than of the bible. Surely bible is a good source of information and understanding of Jewish thoughts and religion. However, there is a distinct difference from reality than of belief. I can believe in what bible have to say but it doesn’t mean I am a JEW. I do practice some of jewish belief and act naturally like a jew but it doesn’t prove Iam one. My parent had confirm to me that we had a 2/3 of jewish blood and it trace back from my grandfather in mother’s side of my family and 1/3 in my father’s side but it DOESNT MEAN IAM A JEW. So the question now is that in todays modern life, how can distinguish jews from non-jew by physical appearance?
wow, as a jew, I have to say: This whole thread sounds really racist!
Especially this part of @visionandwisdom11 : “and its not the goofy guys with little hats on the back of there head”.
You are right, jews are a people! So why shouldn’t the jews of today be part of that people? Which motivation should a “non-jew” have to call him jewish?
@visionandwisdom11, Just at a guess; the sons of Noah, Ham, Shem and Jophet likely represented the 3 races known in the region of Egypt back before Abraham and Moses, Negroid, Greekoid and Caucasian/Indian.
The time of the Tower of Babel is when they started to really interact, the Mesopotamian melting pot, at least 3 different languages for at least 3 different races, hence confusion of speech myth.
Chances are that mixing of races developed the Arab lines; it has been shown that early Egypt was Africana but a distinct Arabesque race took over as the ruling class, likely the product of the Mesopotamian race mix.
It is believed that Abraham was Indian/Caucasian (not white Caucasian, which are descended from Indian Caucasian likely due to a migration by a portion of India into Northern Europe) The darker Indians, Dravidians, are likely Polynesian or Australian Aboriginal descent.
A lot of Moses early Hebrew Judaism would be word of mouth Brahman Monotheism from Abrahamic India, with some features of Egyptian mythology, due to Hebrew captivity in Egypt. (you will notice the similarities in the names Brahman and Abraham)
As for Asians, I’d guess Indian Caucasians and Polynesians, but I have entertained a theory that the ruling class of Egypt was driven out and ended up divided, some meeting the Polynesians/Indian Caucasians in Asia, while others went on to meet pure Polynesians in South America and formed the Mayan Civilisation, which may have reunified with Asia, hence the sudden disappearance of the Maya, likely by conquest by China/Asia.
But that would explain why there are pyramids in South America and Southeast Asia, but like I said, a theory.
@trek79, hello my friend I like your idea of:
“It is believed that Abraham was Indian/Caucasian (not white Caucasian, which are descended from Indian Caucasian likely due to a migration by a portion of India into Northern Europe) The darker Indians, Dravidians, are likely Polynesian or Australian Aboriginal descent.”
There are researches that confirm that some people in ASIA have an AUSTRONESIAN DECENT. :)
@brainfuck, hello my friend. I know it sound’s offending but we have to figure-out on ourselves THE FACTS from plain “understanding” The answers here are not just to target a specific ethnic group. We simply answer the question that is posted in the board merely for educational purposes and others by curiosity.
It is fair enough to say that there some would answer the question in the best of their ability.
@ajesh, There are a lot of missing pieces to the evolution of the human species but it is commonly accepted that primates likely came out of Africa as Homo-Erectus or a level soon after that. Divided into two or more separate strains, Cro-Magnon to the East and Neanderthal in Europe.
It is possible that one conquered the other, or they merged and interbred into a more modern Homo-Sapien, but before that merger many of the Cro-Magnon tribe likely migrated south east into Australia and into the Pacific Islands, even over to South America as Polynesians.
I think the Dravidians were a result of an Australian Aboriginal migration back into India during the birth of Islam, to support the Muslim armies. But that is a personal belief.
I agree with you trek79 but correction it is not DRAVIDIANS it is DENISOVA HOMININ.Neanderthals and the newly discovered Denisovans, who split from our lineage around 500,000 years ago. As modern humans were first migrating out of Africa more than 60,000 years ago, Neanderthals and Denisovans were still alive and well in Eurasia.
The “real Jews” from the bible that is discussed here are called by Egyptians “SHASU OF YHW” they are not called “jew” before because they are mainly a pastoral cattle nomads. Shasu means in Egyptian terms is those who move on foot. Westerner from Europe called them levant (REAL CHRISTIANS) which means Mediterranean lands east of Italy” Moreover shasu is determined as a people, though not necessarily as a socioethnic group. PROTO-ISRAELITE AROSE FROM LOCAL CANAANITE POPULATION as a large scale settlement of the highland around 12th century BCE.
The levant bedouin or Shasu of YHW are organize clans under chieftain and describe as brigands from Jezreel Valley, Ashkelon and Sinai. AMONG THE SHASU/LEVANT DESCRIBE BY EGYPTIANS AND WESTERNERS ARE SYRIA, LEBANON and CANAAN/ISRAEL/SINAI. The modern day Shasu are Cyprus,Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria and the South of Turkey which is called Aleppo Vilayet.
This are real historical data by the way and not just derive from religion. Religion is part of Israel culture/history. It can never be separated. IT IS WHO THEY ARE. IT IS PART OF THEM.