A 140,000 tonne rock travelling at over 17,000mph missed us by 15 minutes today
It is estimated that, if it were to impact Earth, it would enter the atmosphere at a speed of 7.9 miles/second, would have a kinetic energy equivalent to 3,500,000 tons of TNT, and would produce an air burst with the equivalent energy of 2,900,000 tons of TNT…
…and it’s going to miss us by just 15 minutes. TODAY!
Still think any of your problems really matter all that much?
@yoinkie, Wow, sounds like you have some things you need to work out, man. I know death is the biggest challenge anyone can face, but you’re blowing it out of proportion. @possiblehubris was simply pointing out that everyone is going to die at some point whether you like it or not, and there’s nothing you can do about it. Modern medicine gives people more time, but can’t put off death forever. Some would call it a miracle that we have all these cures and treatments now to keep a dying person in this world for an extra 10-20 years. But not everyone would consider that a blessing… especially not the dying who’s mental faculties decay long before their body. My eldest relatives that have died couldn’t even recognize their family, pursue their passion, perform simple daily tasks or bodily functions for years leading to their end.True, some people seem to still have many good years left in them when their time comes, and that’s a bit disappointing, but it’s the nature of life!! Just as it’s the nature of our accidental rock to spin chaotically through the solar system in a dangerous dance with tons of other accidental rocks that could end it all for us at any second. It may be tragic to some, but that’s really the way of life, it is fair. We are not the center of life, nature doesn’t give a shit.
“You dont have to feel sad for people you do not know that have died. But, you are a pathetic piece of shit if you dont.” I feel sad for YOU! How terrible you must feel that statistically more than five lives are taken every second. You don’t know them, but you feel bad for them? I don’t think it’s possible to consciously keep pace with all the death and suffering, so quit acting. I bet you were one of the insane patriots who jumped on the war-path after witnessing 9/11 because of how awful you felt for the lives that were lost and so dear to you. Well look how productive that’s been; we’ve lost countless more lives just by grieving and justifying.
I truly don’t believe death is the end of our adventure anyway. I believe something close to the plot of “What Dreams May Come”, a movie about the afterlife which re-enacts popular reported experiences that people had in a near-death situation or actually dying and being resuscitated minutes later. They all describe the moments following their death as something peaceful, blissful, and liberating. Moving toward a light and being greeted by another dead relative. Upon being ‘saved’ they are surprisingly disappointed that they’ve been brought back into their body and their fear of death is removed.
I know this is all a hypothetical discussion about whether or not it’d be good to lose millions to a cosmic event. I wouldn’t count my lucky stars on it, but if it did happen, I wouldn’t lose my fucking head because “woe is me, the death is overwhelming my ability to live on”. And I really think people would unite over the opportunity, reform our society and prioritize on more scientific goals. Death is inevitable, my friend; if you look through history you’ll notice how it’s been just as opportunistic and benificial as tragic.
@versai, do you always make assumptions about people, or just on the internet? I don’t even know how you begin to even assume I went on a war path after 9/11, when no where did I state that death should be avenged. And I’m acting?? Ok….
Its easy to debate with others when half your statements are assumptions. Try and work on that in the future.
@yoinkie, You jumped guns-blazing all over another forum member for simply proposing that death isn’t so bad. Yea, I think it’s safe to assume you’d lose your mind over a real tragedy. And you don’t see how this is a hypocritical act? “You dont have to feel sad for people you do not know that have died. But, you are a pathetic piece of shit if you dont.” So you’re a less pathetic piece of shit than me because you can get all huffy-puffy and make it look like you care about people you don’t know or even realize are dying?
You’re even more of a hypocrite by trying to deflect my assumptions when you’ve cast yours on manimal and possiblehubris in all of your replies. Suddenly now you’re too good to debate that way?
@versai, Do you read through entire comments, or just bits and parts? If you would have read my the end of my original response to possiblehubris, you would have read that that was the first time I actually insulted anyone in these forums and was judgemental. And if you would have cared to read my next response to him, you would have read me immediately apologizing to him, and that response came less then 10 minutes after the original one. I realized my mistake quickly and tried to right my wrong to him. As far as manimal goes, ive been reading his comments for over 6 months, so my judgement on him isnt just from this post, but rather over an extended look at his beliefs. So my comments towards him arent assumptions, but rather what I actually believe him to be.
moving on. “I think it’s safe to assume”. What a flawed statement. Its never safe to assume anything about anyone unless you have a good base of data to back it up. but even if it was “safe to assume” something, you think someone would go about it in a reasonable manner. But you, you are “safely assuming” that I would be a war mongerer, just because I think people should not treat death so lightly? How does the two even correlate? Wouldnt a safer assumption be that people who take death in such a serious manner, NOT be war mongerers and against war? I mean, a reasonable person would “assume” so, seeing that I am saying that even the death of a stranger saddens me, yet you believe that I would want to kill thousands of strangers because strangers close to my home died. HUH?
@yoinkie, No, I read your entire posts. Your admission to being more emotionally charged than ever is the exact fuel for my responses. And is the same evidence for my assumption that you’d be easily misled and manipulated to act out of emotion when faced with a difficult event like 9/11. Can you tell me, did you initially react out of anger when learning about so many innocent people dying that day? I won’t hold it against you, as nearly everyone did. I only made that assumption to show you how in the moment, death can emotionally motivate us to make decisions that I think the majority of humanity are now embarrassed to have made. But we can’t go to Iraq 10 minutes later and apologize to them for reacting out of emotion now can we? I don’t think they would have been as forgiving as possiblehubris
@versai, Rarely do I let myself act out of emotion. I use to when I was younger, a lot. That led to making a lot of horrible decisions, and a couple friends who made equally horrible decisions are no longer alive today because of it. I sat down for a long time and completely changed my mindset on how to act out of emotion when my friend was shot and killed, because he got into a fight at soe random bar. Before that, I was exactly like him, not thinking before acting. But after that, I taught myself how to sit and think before acting on any decision. Anger is the leading cause of so many horrible decisions made by humans. I havent been in a fist fight ever since that, and if you saw what I was in highschool you probably would never believe it. Of course I still get mad and pissed off at people, and occasionally I use my words to express my anger or frustration(I believe a good yell or argument is a great thing to put your negativity behind you; perfect example is this thread, I was pissed off by possiblehubris’s comment, but after I “yelled” it out I became calm). But violence isnt the answer to anything. A group of terrorists caused 9/11, not the country of afghanistan or all muslims. I understood that and directed my anger accordingly. War was the wrong answer for our country.
“Millions of less mouths to feed. Millions less of people abusing and polluting the earth. Millions less of people being mean, abusive and disrespectful of others. Millions less of people pumping money into nasty corporations and voting for nasty governments. Millions less people squandering their lives. People are slowly killing themselves anyway, and they never do anything with their lives.
Most people are nothing but a cancer upon this world. An incident like this would be a good wakeup call. Everything worthwhile requires sacrifice. I’d gladly take an asteroid to the face if that would bring betterment of the world and mankind.”
Millions of dreams, Millions of ideas, Millions of opportunities, Millions of Contributors, Millions of Solutions, human beings living life with the same RIGHT you have to it.
What if 1 of those millions discovers a cure for cancer? Maybe you need a wake up call friend. Everything worthwhile is already here. You’re living it.
What is your definition of “Betterment” exactly? no, seriously think about it. Is a cataclysmic event really going to serve that purpose?
Fear only motivates the masses as long as fear is present. What happens when we recover? the whole population of the planet miraculously become enlightened en masse?
“People have become too dependent upon and comfortable with that shit anyway. As proven by this statement of yours.
Who gives a shit about the economy?”
The computer you happen to be using right now, the electricity grid it’s hooked up to, the food you buy at the supermarket, the water that runs through your plumbing, the access to information & technology that pulls people out of poverty, the global offline and online trade that guarantee you the opportunity to enjoy the goods & products of the whole world, the airline & travel industries that give you the opportunity to actually SEE the whole world if you wanted to… You mean that economy?
Unless you’re a hunter/gatherer living in a forest with nothing but a sharpened stick and hut you made out of leaves… I suggest you get a serious reality check.
@yoinkie, ♪Haters gonna hate♫
@papashibshib, “human beings living life with the same RIGHT you have to it.”
There really is no such right, I have no right to it, nor does anybody else. There are no birthrights, deal with it.
“What if 1 of those millions discovers a cure for cancer? Maybe you need a wake up call friend. Everything worthwhile is already here. You’re living it.” –
First of all, you contradicted yourself right there.
Second, there’s no need for a cancer cure. Avoiding cancer is no rocket science, people are just irresponsible.
“no, seriously think about it. Is a cataclysmic event really going to serve that purpose?” –
Yup. The problem is that people have become too comfortable, about to swallow the illusion of security. A reminder like this would be a “gift from the heavens.”
It would also serve as a wakeup call because people would be all “Holy shit better get right to action because you never know when something like this could happen to me.”
The destruction of a major city would show them just how powerless society really is when it matters, unable to protect them, and they would stop succumbing to its bullshit in exchange for this “protection.”
There’s hundreds more points like these to be made. In the big picture, a catastrophe would be a great thing. Why so shallow and one-sided? Why not let go of those egos for a second.
“Fear only motivates the masses as long as fear is present. What happens when we recover? the whole population of the planet miraculously become enlightened en masse?” –
It’s not about fear, dude. It’s about reason and understanding. Yes, many would fear, but that is their own choice. But a lot of people would snap out of it and use their brains, this would be high-octane inspiration and motivation. “Dancing with Maha Kali” rather than trying to hide or fight.
Do or die, the axiom of progress.
“Unless you’re a hunter/gatherer living in a forest with nothing but a sharpened stick and hut you made out of leaves… I suggest you get a serious reality check.” –
Humans are hunter gatherers. I do not have all those things you mentioned, and all that I have I know how to operate and fix. I could make makeshift versions of most of them if I had to. But I really wouldn’t mind losing it all, it’s just stuff, I’ve lost it before. Big fucking deal.
Other than money, I don’t get much out of this economy. And money has no meaning. It’s fun to have, but one could have just as much good times without it.
@papashibshib, “Still think any of your problems really matter all that much?” Yes, they do. They matter the same, your OP just sounds like a reason to be willfully ignorant which I can’t really appreciate. I don’t have time to read your other posts, though, that one sucks enough.
Also, these events are known a long time before they happen, I’m not sure why people started talking about death over-dramatically and what not, they’d evacuate people on locations before the calculated hit. Look at the fucking calculations made already. It was a goddamn historical event for Earth and nothing more.
What a bunch of fucking bullshit.™
I think the unavoidable violence of nature is a cue from the universe not to hold so closely to our identities and those of the people in our life. Continuous despair over death is a sign of being too dependent on a specific person to give you meaning. Obviously this is a hard thing to learn which is why we have so much opportunity to practice it through the experience of losing people.
@manimal, “Avoiding cancer is no rocket science, people are just irresponsible.”
So you’re saying that of millions of people affected by cancer, that they could all have avoided it in some way? Even my friend’s mother who got lung cancer and has less than a year to live even though she never smokes, eats healthy, and works out?
“there’s no need for a cancer cure. Avoiding cancer is no rocket science, people are just irresponsible.”
So your solution to all disease is to simply avoid it. Nice! glad you’re not running any sort of health or disease research organisation.
I for one am glad there are people out there who respect my RIGHT to live and work on cures & treatment for such diseases to enhance not only the quality of my life but yours also.
“It’s not about fear, dude. It’s about reason and understanding. Yes, many would fear, but that is their own choice. But a lot of people would snap out of it and use their brains, this would be high-octane inspiration and motivation.”
How is this any different to the situation right now? catastrophes happen all the time, I don’t see any this “Waking up” you’re speaking of happening BECAUSE of those situations.
230,000 people in fourteen countries died in the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami, what happened then? that’s just ONE natural disaster.
How about the Bubonic plague? That alone wiped out 30-60% of the European population.
Did we all magically “wake up” then?
“your OP just sounds like a reason to be willfully ignorant which I can’t really appreciate.”
No, it was a reason to be ‘appreciative’ of the life you already have & to use that appreciation to do something worth while with the limited time you have. Nothing more, nothing less.
Knowing that you will inevitably die one day doesn’t stop you from living your life and improving the planet for future generations. That’s a personal choice.
“they’d evacuate people on locations before the calculated hit. Look at the fucking calculations made already. It was a goddamn historical event for Earth and nothing more.”
You’re right, things that almost kill us happen all the time, what’s your point?
The OP isn’t really even about the asteroid. The asteroid is merely a reminder.
@manimal, how would we fund such asteroid hunting organisations? How would we pay the research scientists? with an economy based on currency correct?
Or should we not bother because death is inevitable and we should all just sit around and wait for it…
How is this any different from finding a cancer cure? or should we just “avoid” asteroids also…
“Humans are hunter gatherers. I do not have all those things you mentioned, and all that I have I know how to operate and fix. I could make makeshift versions of most of them if I had to. But I really wouldn’t mind losing it all, it’s just stuff,”
Good for you man, i’m sure you’re typing your responses on a large leaf. Meanwhile there are 7,000,000,000 other people on the planet with entirely different life situations to yours.
A bartering/hunter/gatherer system that while useful for small villages, and worked well thousands of years ago… could not possibly work today on the scale of global trade.
“I’ll swap you my fish for that orange” will only get you so far…
How would I pay to fund hospital in a third world country? should i just trade in my goats and apples?
“Other than money, I don’t get much out of this economy.”
And what do you do with that money? you walk down to the nearest supermarket & contradict yourself.
Order, order, order!!!!! Let’s chill out here. The thing is, the asteroid missed and life goes on. If you want to be inspired by this, or feel like it’s a new lease on life, great, do so. If not, carry on doing whatever it is you do.
And for everyone who [says they] wanted this asteroid to hit and kill a bunch of people, it’s easy to say that when it didn’t happen and knew it most likely wouldn’t happen. It’s easy to say things like you don’t care about death, that you think death is good, that you think the world needs less people and more death, it’s easy to say stuff like that when it’s not going to be you and yours that does the dying. Just like politicians who send other people’s kids off to war, it’s easy when it’s not you and yours that gets killed. Let’s try to remember that.
@acidreyne, It’s very, very sad that people get cancer. And it’s fucking vile that there’s so much lying and disinformation about the dangers of most cancer-inducing products. But it CAN be avoided.
“Healthy” these days is just a label put on things which are profitable. The classic example is soy, which is claimed to be healthy, but is actually just about the shittiest “food” you could eat, proven to cause hundreds of different problems in the human body. Ìncluding a few different kinds of cancer. And that shit is in everything these days.
Smoking is just one of many things that lead to lung cancer. Do you even realize how much bad shit the average person inhales on a DAILY basis? Printers for example, release a shitload of toxic shit which people, especially office drones, inhale. Furniture, carpets, and clothes are literally drenched in various toxic chemicals such as fire retardants, and this shit evaporates and you inhale it. You sleep in beds that are full of this shit for hours each day, you wear clothes that are full of it the rest of the day, not only inhaling it, but also absorbing it through your skin.
Diesel exhaust, asphalt particles, industrial fumes, it’s all known to be extremely toxic and carcinogenic, if you live in the city you’re breathing this shit all day.
The vapours from nasty cooking oils, yep, toxic. Cooking things thoroughly, in and of itself, increases the risk of cancer, because you destroy nutrients and create free radicals. (Carcinogens.) Plastic kitchen utensils release various toxins into the food, including the dreaded carcinogen bisphenol-A.
Microwaving, even worse. Not only does the food get irradiated, everything in the vicinity of the oven does, because guess what… a thin layer of plastic is not enough to contain fucking microwaves. Not even close.
Detergents, shampoos, deodorants, perfumes, shit like that… it’s all toxic. A lot of carcinogens. When you take a hot shower, you evaporate these toxins and inhale them, the heat opens your pores and you absorb it through your skin. Abrasive chemicals cause the plastic to give off toxins as well, which gets mixed into the product.
Which leads us to cleaning agents, and the nasty vapours they give off.
Electronic devices, they release plastic and metals into the air, people inhale it. Wireless networks and cellphones give off bad radiation. As we all know, this kind of radiation is bad for cell integrity. There may or may not be radium in the concrete they used to build your house, and this can release a toxic gas called radon. This is common knowledge, and not checking for it is just the kind of ignorance that fucks people up.
I could go on and on, but I’m sure you’ve got the point by now.
These things can all be avoided, without too much hassle. And exposing yourself to just a few of these things is safe, it’s the sheer amount of carcinogenic influences that is the problem.
Educate yourself about carcinogens, apply what you learn, and you will be cancer-proof.
“So your solution to all disease is to simply avoid it. Nice! glad you’re not running any sort of health or disease research organisation.” – @papashibshib
Cancer is not a fucking disease, there’s no cancer bacteria or cancer virus breaking through people’s immune systems and hijacking their bodies. It’s more like an injury, like crushing your knee with a hammer, only more slowly.
Cancer is an epigenetic mutation, caused by exposing yourself to carcinogens and radiation which corrupts your genetic material.
You want a cure for that? Well, stem cells already exist. But no matter what “cure” you come up with, it doesn’t really solve the problem, it only temporarily gets rid of the symptom. It’s a cover-up, a work around.
THE SYMPTOM IS NOT THE CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM.
Instead of coming up with a cure for cancer, we should educate people about what causes it, we should push laws that forbid products that cause cancer, we should research superior materials which are safe (this is in the process, but it needs more attention) or yknow, just revert back to good old wood and steel for most of our tools.
“I for one am glad there are people out there who respect my RIGHT to live and work on cures & treatment for such diseases to enhance not only the quality of my life but yours also.” – @papashibshib
Your right to live? Well, you were born, weren’t you? So you’ve expended that right. Now all you have is the right to do what you want with your life, and to get the consequences of your actions. You have the right to be smart and pay attention and take care of yourself.
You clearly DO NOT respect that right.
If people want to slowly kill themselves, just for a bit of temporary comfort and pleasure… they’ve made their choice. And thereby they’ve chosen the consequences.
If you choose rugby instead of tennis, you gotta accept that you’ll get tackled to a pulp and cannot use a racket.
You can’t both eat the pie and keep it. Either you eat it, OR you keep it.
“How is this any different to the situation right now? catastrophes happen all the time, I don’t see any this “Waking up” you’re speaking of happening BECAUSE of those situations.” – @papashibshib
So you’ve never seen an interview with someone who survived one of those catastrophes, or some other situation where they barely escaped death? Dude you’ve really missed out on something. They’re so alive, so appreciative, so passionate and driven.
Pay a visit to a video site and look at some videos of that kind, you’ll love what you see. Unless you’re too afraid of realizing that you’re wrong, that is…
“No, it was a reason to be ‘appreciative’ of the life you already have & to use that appreciation to do something worth while with the limited time you have. Nothing more, nothing less.” – @papashibshib
That also means you’re being unappreciative of death, which is just as much a crucial and natural part of life. You live because other things have died, you survive because other things die and you eat them, you exist as a human being because the constant lurking death has forced life forms to grow increasingly stronger and smarter.
This planet is still around because things died, so it didn’t get overcrowded and depleted.
Don’t be such a hater of mother nature. You owe everything to it.
“how would we fund such asteroid hunting organisations? How would we pay the research scientists? with an economy based on currency correct?” – @papashibshib
Asteroid hunting? There would be no need for that. We can see things that are so many lightyears away, thanks to something called a TELESCOPE. Ever heard of those? If something large approaches, we’ll see it. Hell, you can see comets and asteroids passing by quite often, sometimes without a telescope.
And before you say “but urr asteroids move,” pay attention to the fact that so do all the planets and other shit we can see with our telescopes. Our planet moves too. Remember the part about the asteroid missing us by 15 minutes? There was quite some distance, yet our planet moves that far in just 15 minutes… do you realize how fucking fast everything is moving?
Yet we have no problem seeing things in space.
All it would take to be prepared for this is a couple more observatories, focused on things that approach, rather than things that are so far away that they don’t matter. (Don’t get me wrong, I love astronomy, it’s great that we’re observing space. But priorites, dude, priorities. And I’m not saying to replace distant observation with defense, I’m saying to ADD defense.)
“How is this any different from finding a cancer cure? or should we just “avoid” asteroids also…” – @papashibshib
Haha, that’s silly. There’s no comparison.
A “cure” for asteroids would be how to remove them once they’ve hit, and how to “restore” what they destroyed.
We could defend with explosive rockets, we could build deep and sturdy shelters to take cover, we could evacuate the areas at and around the epicentrum.
Basically, BE FUCKING PREPARED. Like smart human beings. Same goes for cancer and all other threats. Be prepared, avoid, defend, destroy, that’s what makes the difference.
“Good for you man, i’m sure you’re typing your responses on a large leaf. Meanwhile there are 7,000,000,000 other people on the planet with entirely different life situations to yours.” – @papashibshib
I’m typing on a custom computer which I understand how to operate and repair. People with different situations? Well, most of those have no tech to depend upon, so that problem is non-existent for them. The ones that are dependent on tech have put themselves in that situation, whatever bad consequences it has on their lives is their own doing and their own responsibility.
Just like the junkie in the gutter put himself there and keeps himself there, it’s his own fault.
““I’ll swap you my fish for that orange” will only get you so far…” – @papashibshib
Haha. It’s gotten me lightyears farther than money has gotten most people. I’m quite wealthy, and money barely played a role in that. While I don’t have that much money, I do have a lot of valuable possessions, a good healthy life, a strong body, skills, know-how, and various other advantages of real value. None of this can be threatened by an economic crash.
My money is locked up in various projects, which also produce a bit of income, which is either immediately traded for real lasting value, or given away.
“How would I pay to fund hospital in a third world country? should i just trade in my goats and apples?” – @papashibshib
Don’t be daft.
You could send MEDICAL SUPPLIES.
You could get building materials and tools, travel down there and fucking help BUILD that hospital.
You could FEED the doctors, staff, and patients with food.
You could come up with ways/tools to make their work more EFFICIENT.
Simply put, you could supply ACTUAL help and REAL value, which is ACTUALLY DIRECTLY RELATED to the cause.
Not just sending imaginary numbers that are pretty much useless in a third world country.
“And what do you do with that money? you walk down to the nearest supermarket & contradict yourself.” – @papashibshib
Hah! These jumped conclusions are very ignorant.
I do not go to the supermarket, I do not like supermarkets. If I’m to buy something for money, I go to a place that’s specialized in that area, not a place that’s too scattered to be any better than mediocre at all they attempt. I do not care for cheap bullshit that lacks quality and is full of poison.
I do not need to trade with money, because I can trade with actual things and favours and/or produce what I need on my own, which is more satisfying for everyone involved, and also cheaper because there’s no tax.
Open your eyes, the world is a lot more than what social conditioning tells you.
_every one of you who is ( bummed ) this didn’t happen_
(1) you are simply _–depressed–_
(2) stop waiting for something || BBIIGG!! || to haapppeeenn! for you to actually do something with your life, you are lying to yourself and living in _the_land_of_denial_ …… muH_haha!uhahaAAh_ha!