A question for anyone who does not like Christianity

backcase (@backcase) 9 years, 2 months ago

Keep these questions in mind but do not post your answers to them. This is not my question.

Is it that you do not like the religion/spirituality?

Is it that you do not like the people who call themselves Christians?

Is it because of history?

Keep these questions in mind but do not post your answers to them. This is not my question.

My question is:

Do you agree with what Jesus said and has done?

August 1, 2013 at 1:26 pm
backcase (204) (@backcase) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@thoughtless,

“there is a underlying truth to existence on a whole but none towards this human lifespan but money and consumerism”

Yes, I know it is off topic, but it is my dream to break away from it. For now I just work until I receive the call from God to do so, and I try to do as well as I can to the glory of God.

“being human im forced to have a belief system, it is one drawn form deep personal insight and then reinforced by external information found on the web. is my belief system true? to me it is, but im always open for a little adjustments here and there. there is no way i can say with 100% certainty that my belief system or any one else is true, and because the truth as to be 100% correct and valid in all forms, the only reliable source would have to be the infinite creator”

How beautiful and sincere! why not always speak from your heart?

We must move where God moves to be in full freedom. Words of Jesus are God’s words, and if you meditate on them you increase your sense of God’s presence around you and within your life.

For me, when I say ‘wwjd’ I feel guided and I understand. I feel very humble and simple and I know the path because I have He Who knows.

I may not know myself, but I know that God knows me. I am better off to be concerned with God’s concerns because it brings me closer to melding with Him.

Do you know of the ‘bride and bridegroom’ concept?

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@Dafunks, When you read the bible with an open mind you gain faith in God. When you read the bible with faith you are grazed by the Holy Spirit of God.

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, you could say that about any book. You are delusional.

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@Dafunks, Eh! Why bother?

You try so hard just to be right. Whatever, insult me all you want, it doesn’t help you in your life.

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, Words of Jesus are God’s words

thats a bit vain… i do know that the words of jesus was one of a true moral concept of how humanity should be, but nonetheless not the words of the infinite creator but jesus himself… my core purpose of existing in this density is so that i may travel the world and spread the wisdom and love i have been gifted with thus the reason for me playing any part in this monetary system.(money= traveling &food)

the difference in belief system between you and i is, you believe jesus had a deep profound connection with the infinite creator and i believe he was just a regular guy like you and i who spoke from is soul. (he knew one of the ways to ascend from the 3rd density)

Do you know of the ‘bride and bridegroom’ concept?

nope… could you elaborate?

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@thoughtless, I could elaborate on the concept, but it would be in vain considering that you do not consider Jesus as one who becomes the spouse of our souls.

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, yea i get what your saying, but i see no evidence pointing to this conclusion but the bible, which im not able to completely believe in due to the bizarre stories found within…
thats the tricky thing about believe systems you have to find your own truth.

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@thoughtless, Have you ever heard of St. John of the Cross or Theresa of Avila?

The have books which talk about the transformation of the soul (the espousal of the soul with God) in a very explicit way.

I do not find the stories bizarre. I find them as wisdom.

I have always been taught that the bible is alive lol. My experience proves this to me.

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, “I have always been taught that the bible is alive lol. My experience proves this to me.”

Sums it up. You have been brainwashed.

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@Dafunks,

Look man, all I know is I was once blind and now I see.

How can I explain to a blind man the qualities of a color?

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, You really have to bring yourself to a human level. You are constantly parading your perspective of reality as the only truth, and that you have seen the light.

You cannot possibly know this. Lets be realistic here. A schizophrenic will argue for hours that you are wrong, and that there really are 3 voices in their head trying to tell them to kill someone.

It is alienating and dehumanizing to make statements of absolute truth which are based in religious context.

You cannot know. Even if you know that you know, you cannot know.

This is probably what bothers me most about christianity. Either the subject lacks all doubt, thus making me perceive them as inhuman and lost, or they fear doubt, and thus lose out on experience, thought, contemplation.

They are fully forced into belief, and belief consumes them.

Go to North Korea, their government is a religion. They KNOW that their leader is on a mission from God. The only difference here is the belief system there is naturally violent and dominating, the core of Christianity’s belief is peace.

But there are many ways to attain Peace, removing and fearing doubt is inhuman to me.

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I am assuming you wrote this post considering my post for @Dafunks

I wrote that because that person cannot see.

I suppose we are all more or less blind, but he is just stuck on hatred and that’s why I say it like that.

“It is alienating and dehumanizing to make statements of absolute truth which are based in religious context.”

Although I have learned these things in the context which I sometimes state them, they are universal truths.

Like this: There is One True Creator of the all. There is One True Father of all souls.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, I think these are better considered personal truths.

You know them to be true.

But truth, in the vantage point of spirituality, is subjective.

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@ijesuschrist,

Let’s say you have a toothbrush.

If you doubt that your toothbrush exists to the point of believing so, it does not cease to exist.

You can doubt God’s existence and presence, but He still is.

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Barthomeloi (16) (@hybridext) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

“You can doubt God’s existence and presence, but He still is”

Politely, go fuck yourself :)

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@hybridext, lmfao… good one!!

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Shu (32) (@shupac) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, I’m a Christian. I’ve found it much more effective to share Jesus’ teachings by discussing my own personal experiences with God. Doctrines can be debated but personal experience is yours to own. We are powerless to change people’s hearts, especially through an online forum. Only God can do that. Have faith in Him, my friend.

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CaoimheS (135) (@caoimhesweeney) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, you can see and feel a toothbrush… It leaves a mark when its gone, it has atoms and is physical. God is imaginary…

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@caoimhesweeney, As above, so below

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backcase (204) (@backcase) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@shupac, “For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.”

Romans 10:10

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CaoimheS (135) (@caoimhesweeney) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, either way, no one here appreciates your attempts to shove religion down throats. Each to their own. If you’re religious, fine. I and others here are not.
I was religious once. Then I grew up and realized that it’s the same type of story as Santa.

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, you’re a narcissist man, everytime I read your posts you’re stating everything like it is the truth. You are so wrapped up in your own reality you assume that everything you believe to be the truth and anything opposing to be false, even to the wildest and most obscure extents.

“…….. they are universal truths.

Like this: There is One True Creator of the all. There is One True Father of all souls.”

So I suppose the vast majority of humans that ever lived where just wrong then, and apparently morons of the highest order for ignoring such obvious universal truths. Have you ever even considered that you might be wrong?

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, The have books which talk about the transformation of the soul (the espousal of the soul with God) in a very explicit way.

i really have no use for books.(i know they can teach you alot)… but i prefer to read short articles than a whole book… or watching animes (some nice philosophical content)… i more prefer to read a quote than a page…

I do not find the stories bizarre. I find them as wisdom.

I have always been taught that the bible is alive lol. My experience proves this to me.

im glad for the deep revelations you have drawn from self but you are you and i am i. there can only be 1 “YOU”. so i cant experience the experiences you have experienced. whenever i come up with those inner truths i keep them to my self.

I have always been taught that the bible is alive lol

the programing word is “taught”… the bible (man-made) was presented to you and you chose to accept it as your truth. i think this is what i mean when i say that “their can never be 1 true consensus of reality”.


@ijesuschrist
, I think these are better considered personal truths.

You know them to be true.

But truth, in the vantage point of spirituality, is subjective.

(been trying to say this all the time)

You can doubt God’s existence and presence, but He still is.

(you then reply as if this is the absolute truth) its a loop in the convo

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, A toothbrush is not spiritual, it is physical.

If I so believe voices are telling me to climb a tree, it is true.
If I so believe that my spirit can travel to mars, it is true.
If I so believe that good thoughts bring good rewards, it is true.
If I so believe in an all powerful loving being, it is true.

If I so believe gravity does not exist… This is quite different.

Spirituality has no limits, all that can be imagined can be true. However, on the border of spirituality and physical reality there is the mind & brain. Crossing this border is where personal truths are found.

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Thus Spoke Haze (102) (@ehsan) 9 years, 1 month ago ago

@backcase, Religion in all its forms inspires passion and should be used as a tool to spark the imagination of man. It should be used as a moral compass to guide the lost and confused until they have found their own way.

Religion has gone awry when it seeks to create a barrier around the human imagination, when it begins to impose its rules and laws in a strict manner of intolerance and hate. When it begins to teach fear and abstinence instead of love and freedom.

In the way that a launch pad should serve as a platform to provide no obstruction for a spaceship upon lift off, so to should a religion serve as a platform that allows the human mind to flourish without hold or restriction upon its own ascent to intellectual freedom.

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