A rather logical approach to death and what's next

 Brandon Phillips (@brandonphillips) 8 years, 9 months ago

What if when we die we simply start over with no memory of our former lives? Surely you’ve heard of past lives before. When our brains shut down during death the consciousness no longer has a functioning “home” to stay so it must move on. What if somehow the consciousness moves on to a life that is being born and because it’s housed in a new brain that’s the reason why we don’t remember past lives. We grow up thinking this is our first time ever living on earth and when we die we go to heaven or the spirit world or something else. What if we grow and learn subconsciously as we are reincarnated again and again? If this is how it really is then there is no reason to fear death because your memories will simply be erased. Also there will be no reason to fear death anyways because you can’t experience nothing and won’t even have a brain to perceive anything after it shuts down. I’m not sure how I feel about this theory. Please share your thoughts/opinions/knowledge about it.

January 3, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Thunderfeet (161) (@thunderfeet) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Yeah man I pretty much think the same thing but a little more in depth. Its hard to explain but I’ll try my best. So when you die your brain releases massive amounts of DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) and DMT is the strongest psychedelic known to man, You trip out on it every night when you dream but the amount your brain releases when you dream is minuscule compared to when you die. Also you can take it when your awake as a drug through inhalation or ingestion, but that is less potent and you are a bit more aware of whats going. Most people say it changes the way they look at the world and its a very spiritual trip. Also native tribes have been using plants that contain DMT for a long time. So what I think is DMT is the connection between this life and our next life. Every night you dream and it prepares you for what happens when you die, then when you die all that DMT is released you have a massive trip within your mind that may feel like a long time but is probably only a few minutes in physical time. After which you as your consciousness are ejected from you body because it doesn’t work any more.
I completely agree with going into another body and having our memories stored with in the physical body but I think there is more to the death process than that. Like I think you have some time between lives where you just float around the world as pure consciousness and observe things like your funeral and anything else that might interest you. Then after you are satisfied and decide you are ready to live again you find a new body and the whole process repeats.

Most of this is just theories and Ideas I’ve had in the past year after watching the movie Enter the Void, death is a mystery and it has a huge part in our society even though not many people talk about it.

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Kayla (68) (@kayla147258) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I’ve always hated the idea of reincarnation because I thought it was stupid and had no point.
Only recently have I been looking into it and it’s pretty interesting. It would explain why history repeats itself. From what I’ve been reading lately it seems as though you are being reincarnated over and over, until you learn the lessons of life and the true meaning of the universe, then you would be able to go to the next dimension. Some people think that we’ve started as bacteria and came to evolve to where we are now.

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Brandon Phillips (142) (@brandonphillips) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@thunderfeet, I would like for this theory to be true. Nevertheless I am no longer afraid to die because it’s a scientific fact that we cannot experience death. Maybe the pain before a brutal death… which I hope I don’t endure, but the actual dying part after the brain shuts off, no. If on some other level that I am not aware of we can percieve things without our bodies I do not see misfortune there and there is no reason to fear it. Death is a fascinating thing and it’s a shame that our society looks at it so sadly. Many people at school would think that I’m a freak for looking at death with such fascination and not fearing it. It is simply equal to life, it’s natural, it’s part of a process which we can’t control, and I know better than to stress over things that I can’t control. Sorry for the ramlbing and branching off.

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John (32) (@luzimzo) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@brandonphillips,

Simple answer: Death is NO LONGER a problem. In the coming years death will no longer be a option. No I am not talking about spirituality. If you want to learn more about the science of the future start with Jason Silva.

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Anonymous (19) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@luzimzo, You think that when (or if) the technology to become biologically immortal comes around, it will be available to everyone? Get real. In reality, it will likely be exploited so that only the very rich or very ‘useful’ to society will have access to it. Keeping people alive in itself right now is a logistical nightmare, and you expect that if the tech came around to keep everyone alive, forever, that would actually happen? No way. I just don’t see it. Death is and should always be a natural part of life, it’s the old making way for the new. All you have to do is look at the average person in a Western society to realize that immortality would be a mistake. The average person rarely changes how they think, or how they perceive things. Do you really want someone around like that forever? Sorry to resort to stereotypes here, but would you really want Billy Joe Bob in Mississippi to live forever? The one who hates ‘queers, faggots, and Democrats’? I know I wouldn’t.

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Adam (118) (@moonglade) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@drakonerythros, Did somebody watch “In time” :P

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Anonymous (60) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@luzimzo, I’m a member of a rather large transhumanist community. Many members are actively involved with AI research, etc. However, despite my interest I’m also aware of the shortcomings of many people’s claims (for example, the sad state of cryonics today). Some are TOO optimistic, and bold in making grand claims out of their field(s) of expertise.

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John (32) (@luzimzo) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@drakonerythros,

I think you raised a very good point “only the very very rich and the ‘useful’ to society will have access to it.” I think that is common sense.

I would also agree that MOST people are not highly evolved (in their view of the world, how they treat others, their contributions to society and sadly many still live in poverty).

BUT change is coming and I have absolute certainty that the world will become a better place.

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Alex (345) (@staylucky) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@thunderfeet, There have been countess conversations on here pointing out that there is no proof that the brain releases DMT upon death. Just worth thinking about.

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Adam (2) (@aprintz) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@brandonphillips, One of the things I find interesting about the idea of reincarnation (explicitly in the human form) is thinking about how it applies to the recent population growth. 100 years ago there were something like 2 billion people in the world. Now there are 7 billion. As you put it, a “rather logical approach” might be that the soul is split into pieces and maybe even joined with other soul fragments. We are the sum of the souls of the past. Just something kind of cool to think about.

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Brandon Phillips (142) (@brandonphillips) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@aprintz, I haven’t thought about that. We definitely could be more than one soul conjoined together. There will likely never be science to prove that this happens or even how it would happen. But it’s something for people to think about.

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Adam (2) (@aprintz) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@brandonphillips, The sad thing is, if there ever were scientific proof of any such nature, it would likely cause World War III instead of bringing people together.

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Brandon Phillips (142) (@brandonphillips) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@aprintz, Of course, there has to be be people that deny the truth when it’s right in their face because ‘god’ forbid what they were taught to be true all their life happens to be wrong.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I was expecting something a bit more rigorous and proofy for something claimed to be a logical approach, but whatever.

@brandonphillips
“When our brains shut down during death the consciousness no longer has a functioning “home” to stay so it must move on. ”

This is a pretty strong statement. The language implies that consciousness doesn’t shut down when the brain does and it implies that consciousness survives death. That’s a pretty big leap. The problem with that is that modern neuroscientific research suggests that consciousness is produced by the brain and needs a working brain to function. Thus from that, we know that if the brain ceases to work, consciousness stops. If the brain permanently stops working, consciousness stops forever. So, to say that consciousness must move on is not really accurate if consciousness stops permanently at death.

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Raveneapoe (0) (@raveneapoe) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@brandonphillips,
If all memory of a past life is forgotten what would be the point of reincarnation? You are the sum of all your memories, what You have learned and what you have experienced, if all is forgotten the You ceases to exist.

The mind of a newborn is something like a computer without an operating system, the bios is active ( automatic responses and reaction to stimulus such as hunger and pain) but the hard drive has very little on it. So… You swap out the HD in your computer, you still have a computer, but until an OS is installed it will do nothing, nor will it “remember” anything. If by dying your OS and memory is wiped you would have no recollection of any past events, so for all intents and purposes you cease to exist.

Most of us cannot comprehend non-existence, so a belief in life after death allows us to think that the essential “ME” will continue to exist after death. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that death is anything except oblivion. Any belief in life after death or the existence of a soul is strictly a matter of faith, any evidence to the contrary is purely subjective based on individual accounts that may be nothing more than fabrication or hallucination.

In my humble opinion this life is the only one I get. This does not bother me at all, I had no sensation or consciousness before I was born and after death I expect to return to that state.

Dying however is a different story, we are programmed for survival , anything that threatens that survival may cause severe anxiety and fear. That and the possibility of a long painful protracted dying is really the only thing that bothers me.

I do not care what anyone believes: whatever gets you through the night and all that. But you did ask people for their opinion and that is what I’m giving.

Please feel free to ignore or even ridicule anything I have said, it won’t bother me in the least. ;)

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OneforMany (0) (@oneformany) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@brandonphillips, i would really like to reply to you and @thunderfeet. i see where both of you are coming from and those are both really great positions to take but id like to add a little something and some other questions into the mix that were sparked by these posts. it is said then when you are dieing/dead you experience an influx of thoughts and memories of the life that your body has experienced. if that is true could that be a part of the release of the DMT into your system and if that were true would it be possible that DMT could be a substance that can hold memory aswell just like water can? ( Dr. Jacques Benveniste discovered that When a substance is diluted in water, the water can carry the memory of that substance even after it has been so diluted that none of the molecules of the original substance remain; and The molecules of any given substance have a spectrum of frequencies that can be digitally recorded with a computer, then played back into untreated water (using an electronic transducer), and when this is done, the new water will act as if the actual substance were physically present.) (( http://www.naturalnews.com/022289_vibrational_medicine_water.html )) if the DMT is released and all memory held within it or held within the brain were to be recalled could it transfer through it and gives a last glimpse or last total memory recall in a dreamstate form? Since DMT is basically found in all of the plant kingdom and in trace amounts in most mammals would it also be possible if the previous point were true that plants could have a memory aswell? if the previous is possible is it possible that when u ingest DMT it has the memories of whatever it was synthesized from and thats why u get a separate and different trip/experience then when you dream? cause when u dream it is a cultivation of your own thoughts and memories and things you have seen either consciously and subconsciously played back in random form or if u are lucid dreaming in consciously creatable/movable form. And if all of that is possible could it be possible to synthesize human DMT with all of the memories within it and transfer it to others ? or even certain segments to others or even see dreams through technology ? sorry for the long post XD i like asking questions lmao. Forever curious. OneforMany.

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Tom (5) (@td0034) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@raveneapoe, an excellent point. And the fact that this remains a mystery makes the short time we have here all the more exciting!
Recently I’ve seen our consciousness as an evolutionary consequence of lots of small things doing simple instructions to form something incredibly complex. I first noticed this when I saw a video of an ants nest filled with concrete and then excavated (youtube well worth the watch!!).
So consciousness, and the fact that we seek meaning to our lives is just an evolutionary advantage that has been passed on. (Bear in mind that I look at the answers to many historical questions in terms of evolution – everything links back, give it a try)
That being said, it does not change the fact that we are the new shoots of growth on the old, gnarled yet beautiful tree that is the universe – as the shoots grow they get further from each other, galaxies move away from galaxies, through to humans and life in general appearing as separate entities, but I believe all of this is connected, and this consciousness, whether it has been formed or passed on to me, is part of something much greater than me.
Now you can still tell me that’s all well and good but my consciousness is gone when I’m gone,
…but what thing Alan Watts said, is we are what the universe is at the time and place we call here and now. We are all “I”, no one thinks of themselves as you think of them (in terms of you and I). The problem is what evolution has landed us with at the moment is not enough to experience all these “I”s at the same time!!

Not to worry tho, evolution will get there eventually.

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Brandon Phillips (142) (@brandonphillips) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@raveneapoe, I’m not going to riducule anything. I did ask for others opinions and such and I respect that you were skeptical of this and have your own beliefs. I don’t have all the answers, this was just a theory that I thought of that just makes more sense to me than others. Maybe you don’t completely forget your past life but the memories are just veiled? I don’t know.

“If all memory of a past life is forgotten what would be the point of reincarnation? You are the sum of all your memories, what You have learned and what you have experienced, if all is forgotten the You ceases to exist”
What’s the point of anything? really. Maybe there is no you, but a we.

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Hermes (474) (@seeker88) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

kind of eager to see what’s next. i know i cant talk like that, its weird right? not really once you understand death. what does shakespeare call it? just an undiscovered land to where all who go are never heard from again, something like that. of course its natural to fear it if you have no memory of it and nobody ever returns. but then again if you believe in reincarnation they do, just you would never know its them. you think jesus ever came back and thats what he meant.
somebody mentioned that we probably stick around there, in the spirit world/heaven/pure consciousness w.e your reference label is, until its time to come back. a book journey of the soul by michael newton actually takes patients into deep hypnosis and they go thru the death process. they see everything and experience it all as its happening and they describe it. They say on average the soul who is still on a reincarnation cycle (which i guss its no longer necessary after expanding or paying off karma or ascending to higher dimension etc. etc. different people said different things but 50 to 100 years was what it felt like to them. But time is much different on the other side because there is no time. so who knows. i know a person who had an OBE and said he was gone for 3 months. came back it, was maybe a 30 minute earth time experience. Soooo my point is what if what feels like 50 to 100 years is really 3 earth days. what if we come back to what us here in the physical seems very soon? and this is why we have ‘wakes’ and jesus and other religious prophets messiahs etc. are ‘resucitated’ after 3 days. i dunno just a thought.
But i like thinking about the moment right after i die how the experience must be to see life from all perspectives and in review and then be spirit not in housed in a body anymore. Some say ‘death is a graduation’. That ‘the good die young’. What if what we’re so scared of is actually the best experience of your life (ironically) is the ending of it and phasing back into the spirit world. i think it is. i think its probably what makes coming down here worth it for our souls. I think to the soul the most important things arent your earthly daily life concerns but how well you can connect while housed with the spirit world, expand and learn as much more as you can and then come back. Until we can keep playing the game and re spawn over and over til we get to the end of the game where we unlock all the cheat codes like jesus or buddha lol and maybe get superpowers or ‘have heaven on earth’. I think Physical Earth 3d experience is just a playstation 3 counsel for the soul. and in it he can play all types of genres of games (experiences). Things that would be impossible to experience back home like death or pain or sorrow. =)
~ sorry for the rant guys. been on a roll lately :/

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Eq (9) (@truthseeker) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I agree.. But you see.. People use to get attached to things…And that’s why it’s so hard to accept death as something that isn’t bad. At least that’s like it in my case, because I love life, I love myself and i love the people that surround me. I don’t really feel like leaving them.. At least just not yet…

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Anonymous (177) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I came across an idea that we have body-mind and spirit-mind. The body-mind is our physical brain organ. It records events, etc. while we are alive and of course functions as a tool. It is our analytical center and guides us through the practical side of living. Spirit-mind records and retains lessons learned and acquired during an incarnation that benefit our advancement towards self-knowledge/realization. At death, our personality as the human existence, that is all associated by others with our name perishes along with the body (our ego hates to hear that). Our spirit-mind continues with the information stored from this now deceased life and prior lives. In some manner, reincarnation is the only thing that makes sense. After all, energy is neither created nor destroyed. Peace, Love & Light ~ ricky

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