Absorbing other people's trips (LSD/Shrooms etc) while on MDMA at a party

 stormy colt (@Stormy-Colt)7 years, 4 months ago

Hey guys, I thought I would share with you something that I’ve been experiencing ever since I started going to psychedelic trance parties which most people I’ve asked about have no idea what I’m talking about. About 2 years ago, I tried molly for the first time and met a crowd of people who all go to these monthly psytrance raves. To begin with, my mdma experiences were fairly standard. Euphoria, confidence and generally feeling amazing – but in no way psychedelic. It was like this for a while, until I tried DMT (Not at a party), which was my first ever psychedelic experience. The way I perceived things from then onward changed and when the next party came up, something very strange happened…

It was a fairly normal night of partying until about 10am when most people had left and everyone still there was coming down. We were in a big circle in the living room with some music on and I was chilling on the sofa perfectly calm. Suddenly, I got the strangest sensation all through my being that is very difficult to put into words. It was very disturbing, as if my soul was being devoured by some kind of non-physical demon. It was like a switch was flipped in my brain and I went from being totally chilled out to completely terrified and paranoid in a manner of seconds.

Then everything became very surreal and dream-like. Whenever I looked at someone there was something very strange about their eyes and I got the distinct feeling that some kind of spirit was channeling through everything people said. It became as if everyone I saw was portraying a different aspect of my own consciousness – different personality traits of my own that were expressed through other people. It’s impossible to capture this with words, but it really felt like there was some kind of message for me. I would have a thought, and not say anything, and then seconds later someone would say something related. It was almost like the party itself had developed its own consciousness made up of and influenced by all the people there. I’d never experienced anything like it before, and my state of mind was quite fragile at the time. Coupled with with the strange demonic presence that I believed was there, it quickly turned into a full-on panic attack. I then discovered that the EXACT moment I experienced that weird feeling on the sofa, someone in the other room had just vaped a pipe of DMT which was very eerie… After calming down a bit I decided to leave and go home. After some sleep, I’d calmed down a lot but couldn’t comprehend what had just happened.

I managed to push it all to the back of my mind and decided to not do any drugs for a long time. I was still quite traumatised by the experience for a long time, and it lead to severe paranoia (Didn’t help that I’d been reading a lot of conspiracy theories). Eventually, I got into meditation and managed to confront all of my irrational fears and became a lot stronger in the mind. I really need to stress that point, that my life completely turned around from being a living hell into bliss after having profound spiritual insights, and realizing that everything experienced is in the mind. It’s silly to be scared of your own mind. After about 10 months of abstinence from any kind of drug (including weed), and about 3 months of meditating daily and strengthening my mind, I decided to try molly again to confront any lingering fear of it.

I tried it at a party where nobody took any psychedelics, and I had what you would call a normal mdma night – as described near the beginning. Eventually I tried it again at a psytrance party where people where taking acid and shrooms – and low and behold I started having really weird experiences again. This time, with a better understanding of my mind and the fear mechanism, it didn’t freak me out like before, but I was/still am very confused about how I can bootstrap other people’s trips. I should also mention that I can also sense when there’s DMT around me. Whenever it’s, things become surreal and almost dream-like, even when I’m not on anything. On many occasions this has happened and I’ve asked the people if there’s DMT anywhere nearby and they have confirmed it. Even though your average psychiatrist (and probably some of you reading this now) would call me psychotic and/or schizophrenic, I know that it has something to do with DMT.

There was also a time when two of my friends had taken acid and we all went on a walk together (even though I didn’t take anything) and things became very trippy for me, like I was taking in the energy from their trips.

I’ve tried meditating next to someone taking DMT and I felt a presence of some kind of spirit. I don’t fully understand the mechanism of what’s happening here, but whether you think I’m crazy or sane, I’d love to hear if any of you have had any similar experiences of tripping just from being around others who are.

Peace :)

March 6, 2014 at 4:06 pm
Anonymous (0) (@) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Wow that’s some really intense stuff! Strangely enough I have had similar experiences but not scary like the first time it happened to you!

My friends and I were at a small music festival last year, I had taken some ecstasy a few hours before and was feeling good but kind of winding down! 2 of my friends got some acid (I had never taken it before at this point) and I was definitely tripping off their trip! I felt their vibe it was really strange but intriguing at the same time so I just went with it!

I have taken acid since and having now experienced it properly , my initial experience vibing off their trip was just a less intense version!

It’s happened since the first time, friends have taken mushrooms or acid and I’ve felt trippy too , just not as intensely!! Pretty cool! Sounds like you get the full thing though, I’m glad you are meditating and have gone past the fear! That will really help, explore it more :)

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

mind’s web together, as does spiritual energy. dmt literally subtracts the mind from the mind body soul equation, mdma overloads the mind causing it to cancel out, ketamine creates a new mind-body, while lsd and psilocybin shapeshift pre-existing patterns.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

mind’s web together, as does spiritual energy. dmt literally subtracts the mind from the mind body soul equation, mdma overloads the mind causing it to cancel out, ketamine creates a new mind-body, while lsd and psilocybin shapeshift pre-existing patterns.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

cannabis turns the gears

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Josh (213) (@reinvented2012) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Well I have never experience anything like that before, but then again I am just now getting back into the exploration of psychedelics, and have yet to try DMT. But I heard something from Terence McKenna (cant remember which talk it was), but he mentioned that when he would go to the amazon and do Ayhuasca he would experience something similar. It was as if the entire tribe and him had been linked together in consciousness. Everyone seemed to know what the other person was thinking, feeling, etc. So it seems that its common among these shamanic tribes to experience something similar to what you are experiencing. Best of luck with it all. Hopefully you come out having gained tremendous insight into another realm, or maybe even this one. Peace.

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hello (113) (@smortlur51) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

I haven’t felt other people’s trips while rolling as you describe, but the part where you talk about it seemed like your consciousness was channeling through others and you thought that there was a message to you, I know fucking exactly what you are talking about. Last time I tripped on shrooms I had that same exact feeling, and you put it in words perfectly. I would have a thought, and then somebody would express it in words, it was eerie. Even the television was communicating with me. I feel you man, it was very very strange

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stormy colt (80) (@Stormy-Colt) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

I’ve only met one other person who’s experienced it and noticed it.. While it’s happening you think that everyone must be in on it, but most have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. Do you mind sharing what happened to you in further detail?

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hello (113) (@smortlur51) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

It was one of the strangest and freakiest things I’ve experienced. It was a couple days after Christmas, and I had managed to get my hands on some shrooms. So I went into town to my buddy’s apartment and since it was winter break all his roommates were gone. So it was just us at his place. We each ate about 4 grams, smoked a joint for the wait, put on a pink floyd record, and played some game cube. The trip starts coming on and its all good. We had talked to a mutual friend who was at his apartment a little ways away and he came over for a little bit to watch us, and he brought his two friends from home who were visiting him.

When our friend came over it was right as we were both starting to peak. The details are a bit fuzzy, but we attempted some conversation and such but I was way too deep in my head for anything real. We put a movie on netflix or something and watched that for a bit. Then that’s when things started getting real freaky. It first started with the tv. It started talking to me. Know how sometimes in a place with a lot of people talking and someone says your name and you pick it out instantly? Well that’s what happened with me. I would hear my name come from the tv every so often. Then once I started paying more attention to that, it started telling me to wake up, wake up shay, wake up. It gave me the vibe as if I was living in the matrix, that this wasn’t the real life.

So that was weird enough. Then as I was able to carry out a conversation better with everyone else, that’s when they started saying my thoughts. I used to go to college with the friend I ate the shrooms with and the friend that came over to watch us, but last year I dropped out. So I was thinking about all those events, when out of the blue one of them asks me why I really dropped out of school. And the fact that I was questioning myself about why I did it and then one of them asks me about it really got me. And then another point I thought hmmm what am I going to do tomorrow, and my buddy asks me what am I going to do tomorrow. Later on my friend and his two friends left (who I thought for a while were undercover cops, and my friend that tripped with me said the same, until they asked if we wanted to smoke a joint and it literally felt as if the sun came out), and I was in a deep state of contemplative thinking. Just self evaluating myself and where I am in my life and how I feel about everything, when my friend asks me if I’m in a good place.

But the overall feeling I got was that it was me in the room, and someone else with me, not just my friends but like another consciousness or being speaking through them. Hell even through the tv. But like you said, it was as if they were each a part of my personality, each person a different trait. After all that my friend went in his bed and I crashed on their couch, put on some music and went to a different dimension. A pleasant end to a somewhat unsettling, but eye-opening experience.

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jakethesnake210 (31) (@jakethesnake210) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Wow, I’ve never met anyone else who has experienced this either. This has happened to me like three times. I get to the point at which I feel like everyone and everything is communicating with me telepathically or using some otherworldly method of communication to tell me that everything is a lie and this reality is just an illusion of some sort. Pretty scary stuff haha

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hello (113) (@smortlur51) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

It was probably the strangest experience I’ve had in my life. It was indeed frightening, but at the same time I’m excited for it to happen again, if it does. Within the next month or so I’m going to be taking some LSD, so we’ll see if something similar happens. What happened with your experience?

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stormy colt (80) (@Stormy-Colt) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

It’s eerie how similar both of your experiences are to mine. In total, this has happened to me about 5 or six times.. It had been a while since it happened and like you I thought to myself the other day “Hmm, it’s been a while since any weirdness happened, then low and behold what happened on friday, happened.

The whole message about reality being an illusion is true. Really there is just one universal soul existing outside of space/time and we are all expressions of it. Just like in the double slit experiment where a particle can be in a superposition – simultaneously in one place, another place, both places and no places – every living thing is actually you in another life time but happening at the same time because as I said you exist outside space/time. What they really mean when they say reality is an illusion, is that fear is an illusion. While having one of these experiences, I was sitting down and I happened to be wearing camo pants. A guy came and sat down next to me who was wearing flourescent pants and said to me “Hey, you’re wearing camo and I’m wearing high-vis.. But secretly, underneath it I’m actually wearing camo as well.” Then he pulled them back revealing camo pants underneath.” It instantly made sense in my head that it was a reference to yin and yang: co-existing interdependently with the illusion of separation and duality, but ultimately coming from the same source. I didn’t have to deduce that because it felt like something I’ve always known but had just forgotten.

If you ever have a freaky experience again, you need to remember your true infinite self. Your life in this body/vessel is temporary, but your soul is immortal and no experience can ever really harm you.

It’s like when I was reading someone’s DMT trip on erowid. He was told that his whole reality was created by him, and that he invented good/evil so he could understand this physical realm. Then a demon came and taunted him, but when he remembered that it was his own creation he started to just laugh in the face of the demon, knowing the absurdity of being scared of the illusion. Then the demon said to him “Now you understand.” and walked away.

I truly believe that we are all the same soul simultaneously experiencing being in different human lives, and when these trippy things happen, it is the veil between your current experience, and your higher self being made thinner.

Bottom line: There is nothing to be afraid of, ever, without any exceptions. This life is an illusion, and that is scary to your ego. But your ego is a construct of this reality and is therefore also an illusion. Take a deep breath, and know that you are the expression of the divine.

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stormy colt (80) (@Stormy-Colt) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

When you think you’re living in the matrix you’re getting it half right. Even if we are really living in the matrix like the movie: Think about which is a more fundamental truth: The matrix (A construct existing in a finite reality) or simply the fact that you exist. You will find that the only thing you ever really know for sure is that you exist. Whether or not there is the ‘matrix’, that is actually not what you are afraid of. Really, you’re afraid of the impulse in your mind that is telling you that.

I’ll give an analogy: You are in a forest, and you see movement at the corner of your eye. Presuming that it is some predator, perhaps a tiger, your first instinct is to run like fuck. You run, and you run, and you run. You don’t stop for at least two miles before slowing down and taking a peak behind you to see if you were being chased. When you turn around, you see that nothing is actually there. Now here is the question: Was there ever really a predator? There is no way to know, but whether there was or wasn’t, the experience of fear was exactly the same. This can be applied to anything at all. It is always your mind telling you there is a threat, whether influenced by the outside or generated completely by the mind, it is still the same experience.

So again, if we are in the matrix like the movie, or whether that is simply paranoia, it doesn’t actually make a difference because that’s not really what you’re afraid of. You’re afraid of an impulse within your own mind. That is just as silly as being scared of your tummy rumbling, or being scared of an itch on your forehead.

This is the insight I had which saved my life when my own fear of reality got so bad that I thought there was no way out. Negative experiences are here to give contrast to the good ones. Positivity and negativity only exist because of duality. In non-duality there is no negative, but there is no positive. That’s kinda boring. Tell me this: If you were a god and could experience anything, what would you do? I think that one of the best experiences in the world, is after having suffered – thinking that you are just ‘little vulnerable me’ – only to remember who you really are. It’s powerful

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Cole (0) (@Cole-Lang) 5 years, 5 months ago ago

Nothing is true . Everything is permitted .. Careful what new belief you take on after the trip . Life is full of perception .. But there is an infinitely finite trip .. It is possible to end it .. I don’t know what it means and shit .. What is on the other side of it .. Does life continue on ? Are we truly asleep and people are trying to wake us up and that’s why other people fall into our trips so easily ?? When I trip the only known person existing is me .. Everyone else disappears , when I had my bad acid trip my friends were gone , I had people of what I thought were of higher power explaining to me that everything I’ve believed and talked about , about how acid is the blue pill into the truth and that nothing exists and this is all in your mind literally created .. They were telling ME this ! And there was highs and lows and consciousness fluxes and jumping as fast as my mind did from story to story like a dream .. I woke up to me screaming but that wasn’t the eerie part , the eerie part was is before the “bad trip” I went from tripping balls to completely sober and this all occurred .. 2 years later now I never came down , it became a reality almost .. Now it’s like whenever people come in contact with me they play on my subconscious thoughts or conscious . Whatever I hold in mind they do too .. I have no idea if they’re “real” or really what’s real anymore .. Shit I don’t even know how old this post is and if I’m actually going to get a reply .. All I do know is you’re the first I’ve ever seen that is also a “head consciousness” as I like to call it .. I’m assuming you’re a female I’ve been told my equal would be a female as well .. I don’t know where you live but I do know that it’s nowhere near me (I live in AZ) by the way .. I only know of one person that doesn’t “fall asleep” when this begins but I am truly fascinated that there is more and I’m not the other one ! I would love to talk more about this hidden code and what it means and what the negative entities guarding the gates to this Unkown truth means !! Because we will be able to ACTUALLY talk about it without one of us shutting down !! I’ll actually be able to talk to another human that doesn’t play off of what I think and feel !! Please contact me if interested [email protected] I just want to know if it’s something to look into or if it’s something God is trying to keep himself from but is inevitably happening because I mean , you can only hide yourself from yourself for so long .. Good day to you alpha consciousness 

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

I dont need anything to be in other people’s trips. just being around drugs gives me a heightened consciousness, as my brain seems to go into overdrive.

That being said, I’m imagining that some level of serotonin depletion is at play here. Partying till 10am being ‘normal’ for you, while on an amphetamine is going to strip your brain pretty bare of serotonin… its not unlikely that you would end up having a very abnormal experience after that.

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Martijn Schirp (112,780)A (@martijn) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Psychedelics do create a sustained sensitivity to our surroundings, our world changes only ever so slightly and we find ourselves fascinated, yet, at times, having trouble to navigate. Meditation helps navigation, but intensifies the storm. Keep investigating and understanding will come. The way you dealt with it the first time truly shows insight.

For anyone who read the Spell of the Sensuous – or has any knowledge of the phenomenology of Merleau-Ponty: We are always already tuned in to others. We follow the gaze of other people, feel the movements of their bodies, experience the world as they do. And also things invite us, beckon us and form the shape of our consciousness. (Ever saw a skateboard crash YouTube video and suddenly protected your balls? Ever was lured in by a place to sit after a long hike?)

In psychedelic states this is often experienced as magic. Magic is how our consciousness automatically knows. How it fills in the gaps of our sense-experience (how to catch a ball unexpectedly or to know just exactly when the punch line of the joke is going to be) Closed, objective, totalitarian thoughts however closes this understanding, makes us confused, afraid. (Being confused or afraid is not something to get rid of however, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. It is properly human.)

Thoughts being disconnected from our sense experience gives rise to a sense of a transcendental Ego, it’s biggest trick. Which I will fall for if I keep writing now, ha!

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stormy colt (80) (@Stormy-Colt) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

Hey :) Thank you for your replies!

Just to update.. I went to my friend’s leaving party Friday night and took mdma, and more weird shit happened. I don’t know if anyone took any psychedelics but there was a point by the bonfire in the back garden where there was this presence. One of my friends put on this strange croaky voice like an old woman with an English accent and while I don’t remember exactly what he was mumbling (It’s sometimes hard to recall things on mdma and it was already difficult to understand the voice), it was really negative. More importantly than what the actual words were, I felt this strange surge of negative energy emanating. Then another friend said “Nobody wants to hear you, Margaret.”

The name rang a bell and then memories flooded in and I remembered that a few months ago – the last time I was at that same house – the same thing had happened and it was the same ‘Margaret’. I asked them both why they just said those things and they just said they didn’t know. I decided to go back inside to the living room with different people, and then someone in there put on the exact same croaky voice and said something about a pet dog and I got that same surge of energy, and it was the same distinct personality. I asked him why he just said that and he didn’t know.

In the past, so much weird shit has happened to me that it barely even phases me any more, but I’m still intrigued by it. crashed in one of the bedrooms for a couple of hours then left and got the bus home. Went up to my room and tried to get to sleep, and just as I was about to dose off, I got this image in my mind of this little gremlin/demon thing that was seething and repulsive, which I wasn’t exactly expecting, and it made me jump out of my bed. I calmed down shortly, reminding myself that whether or not there are real spirits out there, the experience is completely in the mind. I meditated for a while then tried to get back to sleep. Then, right before I was about to dose off, I got this weird sensation surge up from my pelvis through my stomach and up to my chest which woke me up again. This happened over and over again, right before I could sleep. It was a little disturbing, but more annoying because I was really tired and couldn’t get to sleep. After about 5 hours of non-sleep, I finally managed.

My hypothesis is that Margaret is some kind of spirit that’s stuck at my friend’s house. I’m actually going to investigate this further. He’s only had the house for about a year so maybe somewhere down the line a woman named Margaret died there. Just to let you know, I was a total skeptic of spirituality and paranormal until it started happening to me. I was never inclined to believe this kind of thing

I’d like to hear what you guys make of this?

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stormy colt (80) (@Stormy-Colt) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

I forgot to mention that before I went up to bed, my dog and cat totally freaked out when they saw me

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Ryan (30) (@ryanj) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

What you just described while going to sleep is exactly what happens to me when I enter sleep paralysis (SP). From what you said, you must have had SP; messing with your sleep cycle (you crashing in the bathroom) will definitely lead to SP.

When I get SP its usually because I took a nap during the day from a lack of sleep the night before, my body freezes, loud ringing starts in my ears and I have terrible hallucinations of demons or dark beings surrounding my bed or breathing on me. It happens all the time but I always end up jumping out of it in a sweat because of how real it feels.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 7 years, 4 months ago ago

What psychedelics create and what you interpret are totally different things, you know. I love drugs. So much actually that you won’t believe me that I often don’t need them. :)

Meditating isn’t a technique, it’s your state of being when you are empathizing in ways you always wanted to. calmly.

To tell you the truth, that’s why I avoid parading yoga sluts. I empathize way too much. I’m too sensitive and that’s why I don’t do drugs. I’m an artist and that’s why I don’t meddle, I keep it all, every single general feeling potheads and addicts call experience, I keep it in my sensitive normal trance state because of my strong undeniable will..

And I feel for you.

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