Act Now Or Wait?

Alex (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago

So, you are working cash register at your job. Someone walks in, pulls a knife on you, and demands money. Keep in mind we are talking just a knife, no guns involved in this theoretical. Is it better to hand over the money, then notify the cops, or better to just straight up punch the dude in the face? It IS only a knife.

Depending on your answer to that, would it change if they held you up, and demanded your wallet. Would that answer change if you had credit cards in your wallet, or all your rent money in cash?

Now what if someone broke into your home, and tried to rob you with a knife?

Personally, from the first question- I think the guy should act immediately and disarm the guy with the knife, and not wait around for cops. Especially in a big store, surrounded by people, its the communities responsibility to act. The guy should especially act now, if they are trying to take away all of his rent money. If the cops aren’t successful in finding them, then you have no rent money, and you have to move and somehow find even more money.

February 12, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I know that wasn’t the most fluent thing to read, but whatevs, it’s already there. haha.

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Alexi Lewis (5) (@hartmut133r) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Trying to counteract violence with violence will only lead to more violent problems. If you give the guy the money he is likely to just leave afterward without harming anyone, but if after you give him the money he tries to harm someone then I believe it would be the time to disarm him, after all it IS just a knife.

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apricelessgoat (34) (@aworthlessgoat) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, uhh act now. No one is allowed to threaten my life. They might desperately need the money and if I was working at a corporation I really wouldn’t give a shit. But if they came at me or anyone else with a knife or a gun I would do everything to stop them from hurting anyone.

If someone came in and said, “look man, I have a gun in my pocket but I don’t want to use it, I need money.” I would honestly just give them the money. Mine or the companies

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

It doesn’t even have to be violent. People block the entrances, don’t let the dude leave. You could theoretically even disarm him by tossing something towards him. Now, what happens if you lose all your rent money, and need to pay outta the ass on a new place because you got evicted? You could have taken care of it before. Everyone always waits around for other people to take care of their problems though. I realize that is why we have a police force, but what if the issue was much larger, like war. Are you going to wait around for armed forces to get to you, or are you going to do something about it RIGHT THEN?

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Anonymous (364) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, break his face in all instances. It’s a matter of principals.

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Goodwin (0) (@goodwin) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Whats your life worth? It’s easy to say sitting at a computer, running over the scenario in your head about how smoothly your disarming moves will work. In reality though, give him the money. If you get stabbed in the gut your going to wish you let him walk out of there with 450$.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I suppose its easy to say just disarm him because its “just a knife” if you havent been stabbed with a knife. It hurts, a lot, and leaves you dazed and takes away your coordination. Unless you properly know how to disarm someone with a knife, just hand the money over. There are a lot of things that can happen wrong if you dont have that proper training. Its just money, no ones life is worth less then money.

However, if the question changes to seeing this man have a knife on someone else, then I feel its everyone civil duty to try and protect that person. Plus, the attackers eye sight wont be on you, so a perfect oppurtunity to disarm him/her.

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Anonymous (251) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, In the first two instances he can take whatever the fuck he wants. I do not in any which way value money over my life.

In the third instance, if this dude is in my home, he’s getting a swift kick to the gonads.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

So why is it that everyone lays down in the first two instances, but if someone comes into your home, its all fair game? I don’t get that logic at all. I don’t think that money is a greater value than life, but I think that everyone has a moral duty to take part in their surroundings. It’s like when someone gets shot on the street. Do you run over and try to help, or do you stand there with a dumb look on your face waiting for other people to come help?

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Anonymous (251) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, Because this dude has taken it upon himself to come into MY personal space that’s why. And the only reason I know I’d be pretty fucking mad is cause its happened and that guy got hit with a plank of wood.

Who knows if I’d act differently in the other situations. They’ve never happened. But I’m definitely not going to sit here and say I’d be a hero.

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, because most people dont live alone, hence their willingness to fight. Protecting your money is no cause to use violence or put your life in danger. He could be stealing my wallet, but I wouldnt try to take away his knife. You can always get your money back, you cant get your life(or if you get wounder or lose a limb, etc) back. But if he comes into my home, I will do anything to protect my family/pets/ and some people might even say irreplacable valuables. Dying to protect your money is dumb, dying to protect your family/friends/loved pets is honorable and respect worthy.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

But if all they want is money to begin with, then what is the difference whether it happens at home, if you are alone, or in a setting such as a store? Granted, I get your sides. I never stated money was worth dying over, or even risking it, but it is a reality that people do kill and fight over money. In a setting such as a store, not only could your loved ones be around, but there are countless other people in dangers way as well.

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Maria (0) (@mariakoosh) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@yoinkie, Well, I dont know. i agree that money cannot measure any life, but I think it depends on how easily you get the money and what do you need it for. i am a student trying to get a job which is impossible where i live, and the only money I have on me is what my mother is working for 10 hours a day. If someone tried to steal my money, i would do anything to protect it, because I would not be able to ask my mom to send me more, it is not fair. Its not like money means a lot, its just a necessity, many people struggle to earn it.

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Anonymous (251) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, I said, and it has nothing to do with money. It’s because he has come into my home, a personal place for me, my friends and family.

Surely in the store setting giving the guy the money is going to place people in a less dangerous situation. He got what he came for…he’s running away, no?

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@mariakoosh, well, of course everyone has a different opinion on it. Just, if my family and loved ones died over protecting my wallet, they would be far more devasted then if I died protecting someone. Money just isnt worth the risk, IMO. Also, you can void credit cards, and have insurance which can get you your money back.

@hollowinfinity, Well if its a one on one situation, just give them the money, I think. Even if you are a trained fighter, there are about 100 things that can happen wrong where you could die or lose a valuable part of you, or be injured for a long while. That, to me, is not worth it. But if there is someone else that is in danger, this means that the attacker will not have their focus entirely on you, which makes it easier to attack them. And even if you do get hurt, the other person will be there to maybe help you, or attack the attacker and save your life. Its just better odds. Also, you dont know what the other person might do, they might just attack anyways so its better to be prepared for the fight. But if you are alone, if you give them the money most likely it will be the end of it.

And as far as the home aspect, there are way too many things that could happen that might make the attacker attack without provocation. They could go into a room with your wife and get scared and attack. Your kid could accidentally startle them. There are too many tight corners. Also, an attacker might feel that they can kill you and steal more of your stuff in a home, rather then on the street. Which might make them try to attack you inside of the home. Almost always, if someone comes into your home, you should do anything to protect yourself. Home invasions when someone is home has a 50/50 chance to get violent, according to statistics. Mainly because the criminal thinks they can make an easy get away, even if they attack you.

Ofcourse most of this is just might opinion, but its better to fight a fight worth fighting for, and a fight that gives you better odds of survival. In a one on one situation, its almost pointless to fight unless you think they will attack you regardless.

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Jensen (4) (@jenvoo) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

These are all great questions to ask others and yourself. I understand where all of you are coming from. I personally do not want to use violence unless it is in the form of defense, even then not every move has to be actively violent or harmful as you stated earlier. To me, if someone is willing to threaten and intimidate another for paper promissory notes, then they are desperate and through their attempt they are showing just how vulnerable and lost they really are. It could be a father who cant afford to feed his children, or a woman who lost the incentive to even try to live life to the fullest when she was being beaten and molested by her uncle at the age of 5. Acts out of anger and desperation never solve anything, it generally only causes more pain. How can you be the judge of what other humans deserve? Is it really worth it to risk your life or risk taking another’s for some paper bills?

You have no idea how many lives that could affect. Every action has reaction, whether it is for the best or involves serious consequences you do not desire for yourself or other innocent people is not something you will be able to conceive and understand in that moment. Humans have a hard time critically rationalizing intent in an intense emotional moment. Especially when we have a more powerful instinct to protect our loved ones and personal habitat.

Maybe the question should go even further and we should look into what causes theft and what we could do to change the way we behave as a species. Why do you think we feel the need to steal? Then we can take it from there and not just prepare what our reaction would be if we were stolen from, but the action we must take to educate a species to act and perceive the world and others in it differently. What do you think is the cause?

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yoinkie (1,498)C (@yoinkie) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, I forgot the most important part. There are only two things a home burglar can expect when robbing a home. Either a) he was expecting an empty house, and finding you home will shock him. Nothing worse than a deranged lunatic caught off guard. Or B) he decided to rob you house expecting someone to be inside. In that case, fuck that psycho up because his intentions are really really bad.

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