Advice of Artists

ross (@theboss7607) 8 years, 11 months ago

As a child I was very creative from painting, drawing, imagining, to being in advanced art classes in elementary so almost in every sense of the word I was a pure artist. But compare that pure artist to the person I am today and what you will find is the final result and product of being fed into the societal compactor of schooling that smashes, crush, and form you into a mold of their creation.

But I know that deep down under all that squeezed, pressed, and compacted garbage Lies the pure artist of whom I was formerly associated with.

So now understanding that I must figure out how to remove blindfold of my artistic self.

What I am asking is not how to be an artist because I think ultimately if every one understood them selves and expressed that self fully then we would all pure artists. So you could say for me to remove all that bull shit and become my true self that I will naturally find art. This is almost the case in my life as I have fully destructed who I am and I now KNOW with certainty what I want in life and who I am. But knowing this information only takes me into the first step.

The second step is taking whats inside and creating it outside. But when I look inside there are no images and I have always been bad a visualizing. How do you artists that create through mediums of painting, drawing, sculpting pull these images from?

Am i possibly going about art from a restricted view. Should I be saying well I really love thinking and contemplating big ideas and inspiring people to think for them selves so this must be the type of artist I am and these expression of thoughts is my Art?

Lastly the type of contemplation and expression that give me passion usually transcends things like images and description. For example the depicting of infinity. So how to i find a way to express the inexpressible. I feel like someone might say “Well buddy if you can figure that out then you could make a million bucks”

So what do you guys think?

October 15, 2013 at 10:40 am
Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theboss7607, well usually I don’t start with a specific image in mind. I get the canvas or the paper and put a mark of some kind on it whether it be a shape of some kind or just a pen/brush stroke. Then I build off of that, and it starts to look like something, or not. Then it becomes abstract or turns into whatever it wants. The important thing is to START and the rest has a way of falling into place… I don’t do art, art does me :D

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ross (76) (@theboss7607) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, that great info! So do you think that even though you dont have something tangible when you start what you have in the end is a visualization of a part of you.

Like do you think that in every single piece of art created there is a piece of someone to understand( or not understand)? Because until you made me consider that I thought you could have something that was rando but now i dont think that.

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theboss7607, I have always thought my pieces were random. Whenever I am creating a painting that is original I never really have a concept or idea in mind prior to starting… but there has been more than one occasion where I thought they were random, and they ended up having significance later.
For instance I just finished a drawing and one of my friends and boyfriend both pointed out that it was probably my alter ego that I drew, since I drew the figure wearing my shoes. I’m not sure if this was the intention of my subconscious or what but it’s cool to think that I could have done that without consciously intending it. :)

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ross (76) (@theboss7607) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, WOW the depth of your art is unbelievable. Thank you for allow me to experience a glimpse of what the expression we are speaking of!!

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ross (76) (@theboss7607) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

WOOW….. its crazy to think that maybe it is impossible to really know our self with out the reflections of our selves through others,

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theboss7607, I hope you will start making art again! The best tip is just to do it! which is kind of hypocritical of me since i have not been making much lately at all. Hey you’re in Kansas, I’m right above you in NE :)

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theboss7607, what do you mean? Like know ourselves through our own art?

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stonedragon (143) (@stonedragon21) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, i agree with you ellie here when you say just start! that is the best way to just let it flow out of your subconscious mind and dont get self conscious whether it is writing or drawing or painting or with clay…
this is one way to go about it.
the other is when you have a specific vision you want to recreate. or copy down from your mind. or even a feeling, an emotion or a mood. jsut start with the color that feels right and take it from there….
or take as a starting point an idea
like you said Ross

@theboss7607
, the idea of infinity. i did a bunch of paintings using knots a few winters ago, and they suggested the idea of infinty for me. how the circle can be tangled and convoluted and still has no beginning and no end. and sometimes takes on super charged up forms of symmettry like the gordian knot. or those celtic knots. you see ross there are so many symbols we can use to convey our ideas,,
there are so many ways we can go about it. even just having an idea and not doing or making anything is conceptual art. that is valid too

ART IS SO LONG AND LIFE IS SO SHORT>>> SO MAKE ART< NOT WAR!~~~ NOW.

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ross (76) (@theboss7607) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@stonedragon21, that great stuff! i definitely in the process of me starting is where i came up with these ideas so i am very excite to see my own progression. But the ideas you stated will certainly help me grow.

How important do you gals think it is to go out and see other art? Why?


@tangledupinplaid21
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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theboss7607, Look, it’s like any skill or muscle. It only grows if you use it.

Just start. You’ll come up with something. And you’ll become better at it.

If you lack inspiration, create your own inspiration. Just do something, let it inspire you.
Look back at what you’ve previously made, let it inspire you.

Just make some art. It’s as simple as that.

If you spent that time doing art instead of thinking/asking/reading about how to do art, you’d already have found your way.
So get cracking.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theboss7607, I have two methods for making art.
Exhibit A:
https://img1.etsystatic.com/022/0/6654467/il_570xN.486894427_6zcc.jpg

This was done with the [idea] “I want to display some chaotic shapes, make the page alive with explosive color.” The idea came from a FEELING, and I needed a way to portray that feeling.

Exhibit B:
https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/6654467/il_570xN.296210825.jpg

This was done with an image already at hand. I was very, very tired one night and had been doodling for the past 3 hours and it was around midnight. I sat down, and closed my eyes, a sort of meditation of sorts. After having drawn for 3 hours, your mind becomes immersed in imagery, and upon closing my eyes, images cascaded through my vision. Eventually I had cherry picked a bunch of portions of imagery to create the image above.

There is no fundamental process for ALL art. Each genre of art has its own specific ways of manifesting. Sometimes I just start drawing line after line, and then “Whoa, where did that come from?!” other times I have this image in my head for MONTHS.

When an image does appear, its usually before bed, and I draw it upon waking or at night if I’m not too tired. If its good enough, it usually sticks with me through the night.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theboss7607, Learning art theory definitely helps because it gives you the edge to tackle more possibilities instead of being stuck to one style. I think it is important to technically learn the founding rules but don’t swallow the dogma that comes with the education.

Study your key inspirations and take what you love about them. This is really unexplainable like you said, because there are no rules in art and each person has their own set of rules for it.

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theboss7607, I think it’s important. It’s a big source of inspiration. Except for when it comes to that “dammit I should be doing this too” feeling I get when I haven’t been painting. Looking at other people’s art is great, but nothing beats collaborating on a painting.

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Obviously, you’re not a golfer (605) (@donjaime23) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

There are artists, and then there are professional artists.
-Artists create art, in the many beautiful forms it comes.
-Professional artists make a sustainable living from their art.

-To become a professional artist requires a clientele who are willing to actually pay enough for your work. Building that clientele is a whole other game with a whole other set of rules.
-To become an artist, you just simply need to express what’s in your mind, body, and soul. You still might want to have a regular job, though.

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Sandy (115) (@sandman) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theboss7607, You will get a lot out of the book “Free Play” by Stephen Nachmanovitch.

Artists get lumped into one category, but there are several real-world forces at work.

Many artists work for clients under a commission, or are “creatives” on projects that are produced by someone else. This is a collaborative process, and some would argue closer to “craftsman” than artist, but still, many artists find artistic expression plying their trade in the service of someone else’s ideas.

“Pure” independent artists have the freedom to choose their own projects and direction. But there is often an issue of motivation, staying on task, being open to constructive feedback, and willingness to iterate: to fail and try again. Many artists flounder when given no boundaries or deadlines. And as painful as it is, most artists benefit from some external, constructive criticism during the process.

Another factor is training and norms. Even independent artists find themselves showing at galleries, selling online, pleasing patrons, selling books, or whatever their medium is. There is always an audience that the artist is hoping their work with touch and inspire, and there is a push-pull of making work that is “accessible” and “crowd pleasing” on one end and “baffling” and “disconnected” on the other. You can’t ignore your audience, but you can’t blindly obey them either.

It sounds like some of your issue is blocks. The pressure to do it the way school forced you to, or to be “good” will definitely get in your way. My advice:

1) Let the medium talk to you. Get your hands on the stuff and get interested in the materials. Make your own dyes, dig for your own clay, go back to silver nitrate for your photography.

2) Find a muse. Someone you want to paint, a landscape you want to draw, a skateboarder you want to make a movie of, the stars in your backyard you could do a long exposure photo of… Forget what you’re supposed to do, let your fascination, lust, obsession, delight with this person or place or movement or color get in your breast and make you restless and hungry to capture it, represent it.

3) Jump ahead. If you know you should do 10 pencil studies for the still life before picking up the paints, screw that. Get the paints and fuck some shit up. Fail. A lot. Make paintings that you promise will only see the bottom of a birdcage. Look, you have to make X number of crappy paintings before you start making some good ones. I don’t know what that number is for your style, your medium, your personality and standards and development. It might be 5 or it might be 50 or it might be 500. But you might as well get started getting the crappy ones out of the way so you can get to the good ones.

Go watch the Vidal Sassoon documentary. I could care less about hairstyles, but it shows how long it took for him – AFTER training, apprenticing, and opening his own successful salon – to start making real, successful, artistic progress in hair styling. Years. It took years. So, suck it up and start making work. Here’s another good link to ponder:

http://youtu.be/BI23U7U2aUY

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HarrietKC (1) (@Harrrie) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

You said you were very creative as a child. Did your teacher/mentor suggest a project and then you created based on their idea? Perhaps you created by grabbing ideas from around you. Everyone does that (unless they never leave the house or they use ideas from the past). Perhaps you need someone to suggest a project and you create it with their idea in mind. If you don’t want to get ideas from a friend, look at ideas around you that you can make as a gift for someone. (I suggest a gift because there is more impetus to finish it) I have found that if we don’t use our creativity we need to develop that part of the brain again. When you keep making these gifts, the creativity within you will flow, and ideas will start popping up. If you are born creative you don’t lose it. You need to exercise that part of your brain again. The creativity will come back when you start making these gifts. You will be so happy.
As far as visualizing an idea or image, you said you were always bad at that. Maybe you don’t need to visualize. If your creativity flows from other sources in your brain or from images in our world, that is fine. That is why we have an infinity of expressions in art, music, the written word, etc.
Sooner or later you will grab something in your mind, and think that it will be the perfect stage to show that which can’t be seen, like infinity. I see infinity in everything. We look at a flower and see colors and form. I look at a flower and see the bees, earth its growing from, nutrition, sun, genes, molecules, atoms, billions of years of coming to being, the supernovas that exploded and left the matter that our star and planets form from. Now that’s infinity, but I know what you mean. How do we express something like that?

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Paul Suchy (0) (@PBSchmes) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

I think art is an expression- an extension of the mind. The medium through which the expression of the emotion the artist has experienced is the final, objective ‘piece of art’ – this medium is conceptualized or how this art is transmitted to another conscious individual is largely going to be due to what the artist has learned -but a “pure artist” would be the artist that goes through trials and errors to learn-so then after learning, the artist can proceed to avoid all cultural barriers/conditioned experiences that would dilute the ability for the artist to conceptualize the medium best suitable to his/hers biological predispositions. Being successful in ‘creating art’ is to test whether or not the results elicit sensual responses in an individual to produce an emotion similar to that of emotion the artist experienced – by using a biopsychosocial model to extend one’s mind, one may express and/or conceptualize an idea, emotion, or belief. How well does the artist produce a similar emotional response, from one viewer to the next, and how clearly does the artist paint his/her feelings of the thoughts and emotional interpretation of that specific moment in time?

Something like that, maybe

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HarrietKC (1) (@Harrrie) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@pbschmes, Hi, I believe I understand what you are saying. What is a biopsychosocial model? You suggested to Ross, in part, “by using a biopsychosocial model to extend one’s mind, one may express and/or conceptualize an idea, emotion, or belief.” You might be talking about something here that I have neglected to explore. I really am interested in better understanding your response. Thank you for any additional info. Harrrie

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ross (76) (@theboss7607) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, hey sorry for the delay but the images you shared really opened my eyes i right now i have such a rigid mind for what “art” is and seeing your creations really helped to see the abstract side. The way you broke down the idea and translating that idea which was a feeling helped me to understand a lil bit of the source. I have always had a tough time with imagining and visualizing stuff but maybe its because i have allowed enough exploration for the imagery to be there. Very inspiring tho I went out and got some different things to get started so thanks for the help

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ross (76) (@theboss7607) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@motorik, Thanks for the advice Im going to check out some art theory stuff being the beginner I am it makes total sense to at least learn about the known methods and mediums. Lately I have been searching out different kinds of art and am starting to see how it influences me like , ” Oh i like the way he depicted the faces” and then i reconsider how i depict a face on my own. Like you said it shows you the possibilities.

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ross (76) (@theboss7607) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@tangledupinplaid21, Man every time i go to write you i start off with wow, lol You alter ego drawing very much so gave me the feeling you described. “dammit I should be doing this too” haha I did go out and get some stuff and started laying some concepts out its been super therapeutic and challenging. I look at some of your art on your website and it really inspires me to get able to express myself like that. Thanks for all the help

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ross (76) (@theboss7607) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@sandman, Whew. Thanks for taking me on that ride. All my thoughts right now are about maintaining, practicing everyday no matter what for a little or for a lot, it takes hard work to be consistent and dedicated to expressing your self truly. That video was great i loved his description of how for a long time you have the taste to know what you want but not the skill to produce it, things like that are important to keep me going when it gets tough. I also added that book to my reading list and plan on watching that documentary. The information you supplied its much appreciated thanks!

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ross (76) (@theboss7607) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@harrrie, !!!!! Man if anyone ever needs any motivation at all just have someone relate the idea of infinity. Thanks for your amazing response I learned a lot. It made me think about this last mothers day for the first time in a while i did homemade cards for my gma and mom. They came out really badass and I felt super accomplished so that is a freaking great idea to use others “ideas” to create art. Im gunna start thinking of some gift ideas to create something! Thanks again

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@theboss7607, Awesome man!!!

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