All the things that can enlighten you to the truth are demonized

Manimal (@manimal) 9 years, 2 months ago

I saw that quote in a video earlier today. The video itself was ridiculous, but that saying is very, very true.
This was nothing new to me, I realized this some 7 years ago, but most people don’t know and what better place is there for this topic than a forum such as this one?

Now, some of you are probably going “Yeah man, legalize it” but that’s not what this topic is about. I’m sure you already know that a lot of drugs can help enlighten you to some degree, so I decided to leave that out of this thread.

What this thread is about is a bit different, but I’ll show you a quick example.
If I say words like occult, Lucifer, elohim, Baphomet or sephiroth… what thoughts come to mind?
Some of you are probably going “Oooh evil stuff, the devil” and some others “Ahh not this wija board hocus pocus nonsense again.”

That’s exactly the point I’m making. Most people have no idea what the words really mean, and what they’re really about, that’s what this thread is about.
So let’s dive in.

-Idols, devil worship and taking the Lord’s name in vain-

The famous “thou shalt not” commandments from the bible are something that I assume you all know already. But very few people ever contemplate what they’re all about.
And here’s something that, despite being glaringly obvious, goes unnoticed by pretty much everyone…

The priests (and God) say that you shall not worship idols… but what about that dude on the cross, man? And that mother of his? And the cross itself?
Isn’t it a bit ironic? Those are obviously idols, and they’re obviously worshipping these idols. What does the bible say about that? Hmm?
In fact, it is said many times in the bible that you shall not worship, not to idols, not in churches, not at all… yet that’s exactly what the so called Christians do. They say they’re following the words of the lord, but what they’re doing is defined in the bible as blasphemy and devil worship. Strange huh?
And that crucifix, it’s a dying man on a cross, a symbol of death.
Yet people never question this, or even notice it. Strange…

The “christian” concept of God is actually three different ones. First there is Elohim, the creators. Then there is also Jahweh and Èl. These are not at all the same thing.

I could go on and on about the idiocy and wickedness of the church, but it’s not that relevant, I’ll leave it at this.

Also, what’s the most common use of the word idol? Talking about celebrities, people you look up to… having idols is idol worship, mental poison.

-Baphomet and Lucifer-

“What the fuck am I looking at?”
That fellow right there, for those of you who don’t recognize, is Baphomet.

“And you’re telling me this thing isn’t evil? It’s got a goat head and wings and tits and a satan star, and snakes are eating its dick.”

That’s exactly what I’m telling you. It’s not at all what you think, and those people who noticed that Washington and Lincoln are both depicted mimicking Baphomet and went “holy shit Satan rules the land!” were just crazy and misinformed.

Now let me explain what Baphomet is. Baphomet was thought up by the knights templar during the crusades in the middle east. These were those knights who got sick of the tyranny of the church and deserted.
A lot of people think the name Baphoment comes from Bahamut, a god-beast of Arabic lore, but that’s not the case.
The word Baphomet literally translates to “wisdom,” and all those weird symbols relate to that name. I’ll give a brief explanation.

The twin snakes are an old and very common symbol for woman/feminine, they represent the fallopian tubes. This together with the tits and the Venus pentagram, reveal the feminine nature of Baphomet. “But it has a dick and looks male…” yep, it’s called duality, that’s the meaning of this icon.
The wings are a common symbol for ascension, and the goat horns are a common symbol for the “ajna chakra,” you can see this symbol in pretty much every culture, typical example is the Greek god Dionysos. The radiating flower on the head is known in the east as “the gong pillar,” usually represented by a lotus flower, it symbolizes higher wisdom and connection to “the source.”

Why they made her look so scary is a good question. Maybe it’s just our associations, due to social conditioning… or the may have done it intentionally to keep the Christians and Muslims away.
The crescent moon is the symbol of Jehovah/Allah (that’s why it’s the symbol of Islam,) the two opposite moons is another sign of duality. The hand sign means “as above, so below.”
And while he does make the “prince” sign with his left hand pointing to the dark moon, this does not mean “prince of darkness.” The moon isn’t dark in the night, it’s “dark” when we cannot see it, in the day. The sign means “son of the morning.”

“Son of the morning? That means lucifer, the devil, I knew this shit was evil!”
Hold your horses, that’s not it at all. Baphomet is an icon of Lucifer, but there’s nothing evil about it.

Lucifer literally means “lightbringer.” There is nothing evil about Lucifer, Lucifer is not Satan. Lucifer is the bringer of light, the enlightener, the god of wisdom. See now what I mean by demonized?

Where the hebreic teaching has Lucifer, most other ancient teachings have two separate gods for the same purpose. In the Greek mythology there is Aphrodite and Dinoysos, matched in Roman mythology by Venus and Pan. Odin and Frigg in the Norse mythology have the same roles, although there are more Luciferic gods in their tradition.

Lucifer and all his equivalents are “Venus gods,” the pentagram is based on the movement of planet Venus in the skies. The pentagram is not a satanic symbol, but a symbol of Venus, enlightenment and the “divine feminine.”

Lucifer is one of the elohim mentioned in the creation, in the very beginning of the holy book. The other “lucifer” that is mentioned much later, the fallen angel who tried to overthrow god, is a completely different character that was added much later and has nothing to do with the actual Lucifer.

Sorry, metalheads, for ruining your songs ;)

-The serpentine offering-

We’ve all heard the story of Eve and Adam eating a strange fruit because some snake told them to, and the God gets all trippin and throws them out of paradise.
Not only is this a completely misinterpreted story, but not even in today’s crazy distorted version of the bible does it ever say that this was a bad thing.

Because it really wasn’t, there’s nothing sad about that story, it was not at all about breaking some rule and being punished for it.
What it’s really telling us is something completely different.

The serpent in the tree is a classic symbol of Lucifer, but also a traditional symbol for the kundalini. The fruit they eat is called the fruit of knowledge, it came from the tree of knowledge in which this serpent resided. This made them conscious and after this they couldn’t stay in paradise and came to earth. Things starting to add up yet?

Ok I’ll explain it to ya. Think back to when you were a child, what life was like back then…
You were carefree, happy, playful, the world was a playground, everything was really cool, you didn’t understand much but you had a good sense of imagination, life was good, like paradise… but then one day something happened, you realized something, and life took a turn for the darker, less fun and no longer paradise.
Many refer to this as “losing your innocence” (a stupid term for it if you ask me)

That’s what that story of Eden in the beginning of the first book of Moses/Genesis tells us about.
Adam and Eve became aware, they were no longer naïve and ignorant, they understood things, they realized that the world is not all happy-go-lucky-joy-joy. They opened their eyes to the cold hard truth, the “dark” reality of the world.

“To enter the kingdom of heaven, one must first become like a child again.”
I’m sure you recognize that quote. And it actually describes the road to illumination. When you can see and understand reality, without the negativity and fear, you find paradise. It’s not a place you come to after you die, it’s a way of life, right here on this planet in your very body and mind. It’s a state of mind where there is only joy and knowledge. This is spoken of in most religions, but they’ve all been distorted over time.

-Satan and the devil-

If I ask you who Satan is, what would your answer be?

Something like “The devil, Beelzebub, the lord of evil,” right? Well what if I told you that this too is wrong? Because it is.

First of all… Beelzebub, the lord of the flies, was a death god worshipped by some middle eastern tribe/cult a long time ago. A “heathen false god,” a case of idol worship. Beelzebub is not Satan.

What, then, is Satan? That’s simple, Satan is an icon for darkness, death and destruction… but not really evil. Darkness, death and destruction are simply forces of nature, laws of reality. Not evil at all, other than in people’s opinions, but opinion is not reality.

If I ask you to mention a god who’s name sounds like Satan, what would you say?
Saturn? BINGO! You are a winner.
This is made even more obvious when we look at their roman names…. Satanas = Saturnus.

Saturnus is the roman god of.. wait for it.. darkness.. death.. and.. destruction! The greek equivalent is Hades, and Hades is mentioned in the holy book as well.
The Hindu goddess Kali and the Norse goddess Hel are other parallels to Satan. Even Shiva is part satanic, and so are Odin and Zeus to some degree as well.

Satan is not evil, Satan is one of the Elohim that are credited by Jews and Christians for creating the world. Part of all that is.
Satan is not the devil.

Yes, you heard right, Satan is not the devil. The devil is a completely different concept. Devil is simply put evil. Bad intent, hatred, anger, weakness, fear, corruption… the devil exists only within the human mind, only humans are capable of that mental poison which we call evil and corruption.
The twisted man is the “adversary of God,” Satan and Lucifer are not. They are part of what people call God. (Elohim)

-False enlightenment and spirituality.

So in case you haven’t gotten the point yet… religion is stupid and wrong, it doesn’t get people “closer to god” but only deludes them into a haze of ignorance, hatred and fear.
A lot of people understand and agree with this, but they do practice a form of religion…

…I’m talking about New age, Buddhism, and the likes. I know that a lot of you will get upset about this, as these things are very popular among the users of this site… but these are all examples of stupid religions as well.

Being unstable is not a sign of spiritual awakening, it’s a sign of deep set mental issues.
Tripping balls is not enlightenment, it’s called hallucination for a reason.
Sitting on your ass humming all day is not enlightenment, it’s passivity.
Simply being a good person is not enlightenment, it’s simply being a nice person.
Merely being really fucking happy is not enlightenment, it’s just positivity and mental health.
Simply “opening your third eye” is not enlightenment, unless you use it properly.
Meditation is not the answer to everything.

Enlightenment is NOT about a belief, it’s NOT about a behaviour, it’s NOT about a certain thought or action.
Enlightenment is all about awareness, knowledge, simply being illuminated and intelligent, in tune with reality, and nothing more. That’s really all there’s to it.
“Lighting up the dark,” that’s all it’s really about.


To those of you who read through the whole thing with an open mind, thanks for reading and welcome to the other side. I hope you enjoyed it and learned something.

For those of you who want to educate yourself about enlightenment (mental/spiritual as well as physical) and the true meanings of the ancient teachings, and some other stuff like that, I’ve got some great book recommendations.

The Kybalion – Three disciples (this one is free)
God-man: the word made flesh – Carrey and Perry (this one too)
Tao Te Ching – Lao Tzu
The secret teachings of all ages – Manly P. Hall
Book of lies – Richard Metzger (funny book, great for understanding the stupidity of a lot of “occultism”)
The infinite and final cause of creation – Emanuel Swedenborg
The book of the law – Aleister Crowley
Taoist secrets of love – Mantak Chia
The book of Seidr – Runic John
Ancient secret of the Fountain of Youth – Peter Kelder
Magick without tears – Aleister Crowley
The Egyptian book of the dead – ????
Awaken healing energy through the Tao – Mantak Chia
The Tibetan book of the dead – ????
The biology of belief – Bruce Lipton
The secret history of the world – Jonathan Black
As a man thinketh – James Allen
Path notes of an American ninja master – Glenn Morris
Conversations with God – Neale Donald Walsh

And if you’re into hardcorer reading of a lot of weird hardly comprehensive stuff, check out the rejected books and the pyramid texts.

Peace and love

November 7, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Zhaetur (89) (@zhaetur) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Well Manimal once again you’ve taken some of my beliefs and made me realize how little sense they made. Good show

Anonymous (0) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@manimal, This is why I check to see if you posted. Well done and thank you, I’ve learned a lot. Mind sharing where you learned some of this stuff? I’m really interested in this material and every time you’d say something like “I could go on and on about the idiocy and wickedness of the church, but it’s not that relevant” I got bummed out because I wanted you to keep going. I know a fair amount but not nearly as much as I’d like to.

The Thinker (2) (@mindsdisciple) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Wow… you…. are incredibly smart :) Thanks, I learned a ton. Please, say more and tell us where you got this, its extremely interesting.

Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@zhaetur, Glad you like it :)

@wabasabi, @mindsdisciple, Thanks for the encouragement.
I’ll do some more on the idiocy stuff, just didn’t want to write way too much stuff and scare people away with the sheer mass of text.

Where did I learn this stuff? All over the place, really. Those books I recommended for example, a bunch of other books too (I read a metric shitton of books,) various studies, websites, people I know who are into this kind of stuff, experience, etc.
It adds up, mixes, cancels out, accumulates. I’ve been into occult stuff since I was a kid and stumbled on interesting shit on the net while searching for random cool words I’d picked up from books and games. I was hardcore into Norse mythology as a kid, that was some of the first stuff I read.

But it’s not really some super advanced or hidden knowledge, I’ve mostly walked in circles. And most of this stuff is easily available for those who look further beyond what they’re spoonfed. Which we are taught not to do, by the same people who demonize the unknown.

Anonymous (202) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

I’ve fought off malevolent entities twice in my life so i know it’s not all bullshit.

Anonymous (202) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

From a purely non-mythological standpoint, more powerful psychics dexribe the astral Above there is Light and below there is Darkness and the attendant spirits that dwell therein.

Nick (554) (@splashartist) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@tigerturban, I’m in the same boat as you ha!

KevinSG (105) (@flyingrhino) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@manimal, I’ve enjoyed reading your theory. Very interesting how you explained everything, I like how you made sure to point out that the devil and satan are 2 different beings.

A question I have, though, is that I was led to believe that the Knights Templar were the beginning of\somehow related to the Brotherhood aka illuminati. If that was true then my limited understanding of them depicts them as in fact devil\satanic worshipers? Would that not make Baphomet a representation of the devil or evil? Or is all of that mistaken information?

Hermes (474) (@seeker88) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

bravo, my brother, bravo. this should be read by 7 billion people.


Hermes (474) (@seeker88) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@flyingrhino, he can probably answer it better than me as he is very knowledgeable, but the same way he tells us that the truth is demonized (hmm i wonder why) then the secret group (which is obviously not so secret anymore) like the illuminati and others like kings of templar or jesuits, would have to organize in secret because they went against the church’s teachings and the church made sure to say they were devil worshipers just like they put a twist on everything else. dont you find it strange that illuminati means ‘enlightened ones’. and ‘lucifer’ bringer of light?*Light

just my perspective,

Matthew Kearns (0) (@kearns11) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@manimal, extremely impressed with this post. i loved it and i didn’t want to end there for bit. it opened my eyes to a lot things i have always believed about the bible’s stories. one question though, you say saturnus was the god of darkness and death but wasn’t saturn the god of agriculture and his wife the goddess of harvesting/crops or something?

DRebel (11) (@drebel313) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

BUMP!! awesome and enlightening post Manimal. Peace, Love and soul brotha!

Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@tigerturban, Icons, it’s how the mind deals with the intangible. I would go easy on the spirit labels if I were you.

@flyingrhino, The knights templar presumably got their wisdom from the masons and hermetics. So did the rosicrucians and freemasons. The Illuminati was a group created in the 1700s in Bavaria, they were inspired by the freemasons and templars, but they didn’t last long. What people call “Illuminati” these days isn’t the same thing, I don’t know why they use that word. The word means “the enlightened ones” by the way.
Enlightenment makes no difference between “good” and “evil.”

There are some branches of rosicrucians and freemasons that worship Baphomet, they’ve kind of turned into a religion over time just like so many other teachings. And just because some satanist devil worshipper also worhips Baphomet, doesn’t mean it’s an evil icon.
There are plenty of misinformed satanists out there, just like the christians they have no idea what they’re doing. It’s hilarious if you ask me.

Colton (26) (@emecom) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@manimal, I love when you address this topic! This was a very informative read and I’m glad you included a list of books because I have been wanting to do some of my own research into this but didn’t know where to start. I would recommend that you look into some teachings of the LDS (Mormon) religion, many of the things you brought up are tenets in that religion if you study enough.

Andrew A. (201) (@biga69) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@kearns11, Ancient religions often made their deities “Gods” of multiple things. For instance Athena was goddess of war, strategy, the hearth, crafts, metalworking, violence, bloodlust, slaughter, and wisdom.

Anonymous (202) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@manimal, Really?? Well, considering you nothing of my experiences I’ll take that as a attempted brushoff. Of course, none of your postulations (pontifications?) are particularly new; browse through any New Age section of any second hand book store and you’ll find similar theories attempting to explain the “intangible” :)

Tine (366) (@tine) 9 years, 2 months ago ago


Interesting, i too have come to many of the same conclusions about the manifestation of ideas into grouped concepts such as religion, but religion has served its purpose, you know this to be true by the awareness you have, for how many achieve it? How many will never achieve it? What then do we do with the fools hrm? How do we herd them into groups and keep them grazing on -feeling of progress- and -social interaction-? Most can never comprehend reality at even a fraction of how you can perceive it, but they still have equal voting rights…. =)

The problem is, some of the ‘aware’ ones USE the religion for their gain, for the religion is about the ideas of love and hope, a -how to- relevant to cultural context, and the ideas are pure.

Tine (366) (@tine) 9 years, 2 months ago ago


Do you worship a literal deity? Or the Idea?

Tine (366) (@tine) 9 years, 2 months ago ago


Worship to me is just another word for focus

Anonymous (202) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Organized religion is useful to elevate the masses to the point where superconsciousness begins. That point is beyond the mind and beyond any organization, scriptures, rules, or teaching.

Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@tigerturban, A group of people believing something doesn’t make it true. I’m not denying your spirit stuff or whatever you wanna call it, just reminding you to keep an open mind.

@tine, That’s not what religion is at all, there is nothing pure about it. And why do you think there’s a need to herd people? What for, and why?

I do not worship, not at all. Didn’t you read the OP? My mind and soul belong to nobody, I am free, for I do not worship.

Anonymous (202) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@manimal, allrighty thennnn! but whose talking about “groups”, I was merely referring to my own experience with the “intangible” as an individual…I’m not saying it was “Satan” or “Beelzebub” or “Count Chocula”. or whatever what i am saying however is that there is some really invisible evil shit out there, Powerful Dark Forces. The labels men have given are as you say your self, meaningless. On that point we agree! And there are others who are as virulently anti-religious as you and I are, who would agree also…

Tine (366) (@tine) 9 years, 2 months ago ago


Worship literally means to exert great focus, don’t trouble with semantics, I was just a’ asking for clarification,

“…And why do you think there’s a need to herd people? What for, and why?”

You’ve taken this from a different perspective than meant, there is no intention to herd people, it just happens, around clusters of ideas, religion is built upon pure concepts, man corrupts them for personal gain, but religion still serves a purpose as it is possible for positive change to occur, even if inferior to what you offer. I support clusters of positive ideas, both their good and bad qualities, as long as they serve as primarily as a builder.

I have even accepted what you’ve said, I see the positive in it

Tine (366) (@tine) 9 years, 2 months ago ago


“or whatever what i am saying however is that there is some really invisible evil shit out there, Powerful Dark Forces. The labels men have given are as you say your self, meaningless. On that point we agree! And there are others who are as virulently anti-religious as you and I are, who would agree also…”

Man , I dunno, unless we can fully grasp our emotions can we really say we know for sure? I am not trying to poo paw on your event, but if something did happen then you must understand that, seeing is believing… every supernatural incident or element of society that I have focused on, when reduced to the cause, has always been human, either through a complete unawareness of their actions or the mind tricking itself because it does not understand….

Though, I am fully aware of how small my perspective is when contrasted against the unknow-able amount of knowledge out there, so I try to refrain from closing my mind off to possibilities until I have just cause to do so

Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@tigerturban, I’ve encountered the “dark forces” as well, but that doesn’t mean demons are real. There are psychological explanations for most of it, which make much more sense than spirit stuff.
As for religion elevating people… gimme a break.

@tine, Religion is not built upon pure concepts, not religion as we know it at least. These are corrupt from the foundation. Positive change has a harder time coming through among religious people, because of their indoctrination and fear of the unknown. Religion is extremely close-minded.
Groupthink isn’t a good thing, it makes people dumb and close-minded, “clusters of positive ideas” are rarely more than people trying to keep their minds of the misery they’re creating by collectively coming up with some distractive feel-good doctrine.

The classic “harvester of souls” is religion, religion is nothing but a way to exploit people.

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