And if you did not exist?

Felipe de Souza (@Inazagi) 8 years, 1 month ago

Hi Guys from HE,

My name is Felipe and I’m currently working in communication team for an event here in Brazil. The events theme is “And if you did not exist?”. Very deep, don’t you think?

We are going to try to make people think about their own existence and question themselves if they are only existing or really living.

So, I’m trying to plan a communication wich express over time (by facebook, email, youtube and maybe twitter) the theme of the event, wich question people about their own lives. And by it, I would like to make it ascending.

By ascending I’m trying to mean: simplifying the idead of the theme in small parts so I can feed the public with the idea and by so everyone can go to the event with some context on their minds.

And this is my challenge. I want to know if someone here have any insight about it !

Sorry for my bad english, i’m in a fucking hurry today!
Ty for all guys!

May 2, 2014 at 2:05 pm
Almeida (304) (@xetado) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

The answer is pretty simple, actually. Think about it: physically, nothing is destroyed nor created in our universe. That means every cell in everyone’s body is eternal, they won’t cease to exist. The only thing that truly matters is awareness.
If we “didn’t exist”, it would be just as before we were born, eternal nothingness.

Anonymous (20) (@) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Nothing else exists but you. You are the whole of existence.

MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

“To be is to be perceived.” — George Berkeley

Implies that nothing exist outside of our perception of it.

MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Not existing is something we can be aware of, but not be. Awareness of your existence, acknowledgment of the experiences that make up your being, is what “being” alive is.

Emily (12) (@ekich) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Ooh, the first thing this made me think of is this quote that I saw once (and I don’t think it had a name attached to it). But here’s the idea:

If all the insects in the world died, all of life on earth would fall to ruins. If all the humans died, all of life on earth would flourish.

There is a great sense of humility that I gain from this, which makes me want to waste and exploit as little as possible–to just live simply and humbly

KoMaCarpe (92) (@KoMaCarpe) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

If I did not exist the world as we know it would be different. Therefore I have the power to enrich or to impoverish all there is. Every moment of my existence is an opportunity to make a wise choise.

weirdwallflower (0) (@katrounce) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

If you think in-terms of Alan Watts’ theories, which I think hold quite a bit of value. He asks the question of who you really are. It’s only a thought, but, If we are all connected to the universe, how can we ever not exist? I think people put limitations on the word ‘existence’- to live is to exist and to die, is to have existed…I’d like to think it goes a little deeper than that.

Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

My response would be that nothing ephemeral is real. Nothing with a temporary existence is real at all. If you believe that when humans die, death is oblivion, then human life is an illusion. Its not real.

Take a flip side view of this from a religous perspective. Everyone who is religious is always asking if you believe in God. The much more important question to ask is if God believes in you. Can an eternal being with no beginning and no end really have any concern for a being that is temporary? It doesn’t matter if you live one year or a million years, to God, to an eternal being, that is nothing, it is meaningless, absolutely meaningless.

So my answer to your question is, you already don’t exist. The question is meaningless because you are a non-existent entity asking about existence. Non sequitur.

Anonymous (57) (@) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

Hi Ray,
Would thinking of God as me(that is for you to say it’s you), and your temporary being as the animal which makes the physical interaction with the world help?

You will always exist, your current occupied body is your current chance to climb further up the karma tiers.

Better payoff next life.

As per meta-game of it, eventually you will a land life where you want nothing, when you truly want nothing, you will only act on impulse, if that impulse is unique to everyone else and acts out of good, you escape ‘hell’, merge and are given the option to spectate, play again or switch off.
*Spoiler Alert* – Everyone eventually picks play again anyways.

Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

That’s a popular philosophical ideal. It stretches across many religions and belief systems, that there is some non-physical, eternal aspect to human existence or consciousness or mind.

But the thing that people seem to miss if this is not true, is that there is no suffering any loss. If when we die we face oblivion, total non-awareness for eternity, no one’s going to suffer from that simply because you have no awareness if you don’t exist. Its like eternal sleep with no dreaming or physical sensations of any kind.

There would be no sense of loss, no regret over an ended life, simply because you are totally unaware of anything. You are gone, period.

So atheists and agnostics who believe there is nothing after death are really promoting, in a sense, the ultimate concept of heaven.

Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

An easy way to think about the “there’s nothing after death” concept is to try to imagine how much you miss of your life, say, ten years before you were born. Do you miss those memories and experiences? No. Because you didn’t exist ten years before you were born.

I’m just pointing this out because people have a blindness about this ephemeral existence we live here. No one complains about their non-existence before they were born, but everyone fears potential non-existence when they die.

josephm (772) (@josephm) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

if i did not exist – i would flood my mind with commercials, institutions, marriage, alcohol, and cigarettes… and maybe anti-depressants/psychotics when shit gets too deep…

MerkyWaters (1) (@nmerk1) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

“So if you really go the whole way and see how you feel at the prospect of vanishing forever- of all your efforts, and all your achievements, and all of your attainments turning into dust, nothingness- what is the feeling? What happens to you? It’s a curious thing. The most real state is the state of nothing. That’s what it’s gonna all come to. And for some reason or other we’re supposed to find this depressing. But if someone’s going to argue that the basic reality is nothingness; where does all this come from?” – Alan Watts

Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years, 10 months ago ago

I think what Alan might be missing here is that people (atheistic scientists primarily) who argue for the basic reality of nothing are saying that at a fundamental level, non-existence is the foundation of all reality. Atoms are mostly empty space…

And even what we know of the universe is now only considered to be 4% of what’s actually there. Dark matter and energy are total mysteries.

So I think the argument for “nothing” is basically an argument in support of a need of a creator, to create more of what already exists, however minute a percentage of the whole that might be.

Interestingly, Einstein believed in his final years that mass itself was not a “thing” but instead just an aftereffect of the warping of space – essentially a gravitational anomaly. If he is proven to be correct about this, then the entirety of the physical universe can be defined as nothing more than a distortion in space and time, ultimatly, completely unreal.

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