are drugs necessary on the spiritual path?

 Mazzy (@hertealeaves)8 years, 2 months ago

i’ve been consciously exploring my existence as a soul couched in creaturehood for a couple of years. lately i’m feeling as though i’ve hit a spiritual plateau and i’m not sure where to go from here. i dropped acid once but i wasn’t with people i trusted nor was i in a comfortable setting so needless to say, it was an awful trip and i experienced no insights or hallucinations, just a lot of scary paranoia that took weeks to get over. lately i’ve been listening to some of terence mckenna’s talks because i really love his take on reality, but they’re causing me to doubt whether or not spiritual fulfillment can be attained without hallucinogens. i guess there’s always been a part of me that has wondered if the kind of intense feeling of oneness with literally everything and the understanding of oneself that seems to be achieved by so many from taking drugs can truly be felt in all that magnificent clarity without the aid of drugs. i smoke weed occasionally for the dishabituation of thought it offers me but in general, i’m pretty sensitive to any sort of substance and the idea of taking acid again freaks me out. maybe i just need to sit back and let the awareness unfold naturally. if anyone’s got thoughts on this i’d be glad to hear them, though.

July 11, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

I dunno, they are a way.
They are a good way.

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Josh (10) (@jambrose69) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

imo.. no they aren’t.. I’d say read up more, meditate, etc.

but a little DMT wouldn’t hurt hahah

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Daniel (316) (@qwuakeup) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

They aren’t necessary at all, but for many people it is the doorway for them to reach the spiritual path. A point of access.

For me it was marijuana – it dissolved my opinion structures and quieten my intellectual mind so I could learn about spirituality.

So I say drugs can help you detach from from your old ways of thinking, and can give you glimpses of the ‘truth’ but you don’t want to rely on them. You must go your own way.

If you have any questions about the spiritual path I’ve been on it since 2010, so feel free to PM me.

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Daniel (316) (@qwuakeup) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

If you know Eckhart Tolle, this is his opinion of LSD — he took it once just to see what it was all about.

http://arsspiritus.com/spiritual-master-eckhart-tolles-lsd-experience/

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fr3sh (6) (@fr3sh) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

DEFINITELY ARE NOT, though i do indulge myself i do not feel it is necessary if you are able to separate yourself from external intervention.

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Sandy (115) (@sandman) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

Drugs definitely NOT required. But sometimes it takes the right situation to prompt the next level of growth. I’ve had some of my deepest spiritual insights and feelings on retreats where I get away from my ordinary life for a week or more. Chanting at a Sivananda ashram or doing a meditation retreat. Getting away from the cell phone and internet and chatter is really important. Also, finding a group that supports your spiritual progress in a way that is simpatico with your feelings is really important. You want to be heard and understood (but avoid getting sucked into a cult!) Find a book you like and go take a workshop with the author or someone s/he has taught.

Often we’re frustrated because we’ve hit a plateau. It doesn’t mean nothing’s happening. Think about when you work really hard to solve a question or puzzle and can’t get the answer. Then it comes to you later in the shower or in a dream. We notice that brilliant moment of insight because it’s where the change happens. But all that frustrating groundwork you did–that seemed fruitless–was in fact REQUIRED for you to make the breakthrough later.

Put the desire out there, take steps towards achieving it, and the Universe will always meet you half way.

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emptyminded (68) (@thoughtless) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@hertealeaves, they are not but each individual goes through a spiritual journey (a never ending journey) throughout this life. drugs just speed up the current phase of thought processes and perceptions, and allows you to transcend them at a much faster rate than without.

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ButternutSquash (75) (@equanimity) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

No. If drugs were required on the spiritual path, I wouldn’t have anything to do with it. I’m just not into drugs.

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Kidd (1,059) (@kidd) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

I was going to say no, but actually Idk. Maybe.

I mean, I was going to say no because we’re provided by the Earth with everything we need to be successful (spiritually and otherwise). And, well, I guess we’re provided with a lot of natural drugs just as we are food and water and air and other things we need.

So I guess it’s possible that we need said drugs to achieve some sort of enlightenment, but I personally don’t believe we do.

Edit: I’ve never used drugs myself but Idk if that means anything to anyone.

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Anonymous (328) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@hertealeaves, It’s kind of like a placebo. Do it with conscience. You can try shrooms, they are milder than acid so you will probably enjoy the trip more. You use the drugs, the drugs don’t use you. So if you use the drug to ponder on spiritual hooplahs, it will work.

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Kforkonner (59) (@kwelch5528) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@hertealeaves, You and me are in the same boat. It seems to my disappointment that when I stop taking Mary Jane for long periods of time I get in these ruts, ruts like not thinking in great depths about the universe and the brain, which I love so much to do! I’m an avid but much in control of how much I smoke. I only do it on weekends very late at night when my roommates have partied themselves out. Then I’ll smoke and just explore everything that catches my minds interests, like mind-rupturing mysteries of this crazy universe we all inhabit, or how the conscious brain has adapted to the point it is at and why?
That last little bit was irrelevant, my point is that I think drugs just give you an askew or altered perceptions on how the conscious brain normally perceives those thousands of electrical signals. This added angle is just expanding your view of your overall conscious mind. Which is very much a good thing.
I suggest trying acid again, but this time lock yourself away from any external hazards, even little ones like friends, family. These can either be very positive to your trip or negative things, so I say why take the chance. Then just go to a safe place where memories will flow and contemplate on things that you can improve on. Promise it’ll help as long as everything goes as planned.

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Filip (2,818)M (@filipek) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@hertealeaves, Nothing is necessary. Drugs can be tools to achieve certain states of awareness. It depends what your intention is, this is most important to ask yourself. Do you want to use the drugs to ‘get a nice experience’ or to learn certain things that can lead you to find your truth?

The motive is very important in anything you are doing. Some people get (spiritual) insights using drugs, other people get it through other experiences. Even the same people get it through different experiences at different moments in time. It all depends and is caused by many factors.

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Cody (472) (@versai) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@hertealeaves, I don’t think it’s necessary, no. Spirituality is different for everyone and we’re all on different stages of the path. But do you feel like more of an open-minded, connected person after smoking weed? Because I’ve felt more spiritual and holy while high than an entire childhood of religious teachings. Smoking for the first time was really the turning point for me, and I’ve been genuinely interested in spirituality ever since. So I certainly can’t discredit drugs as a useful tool in discovering our spirituality.

But I would have to say some of the epiphanies and spiritual revelations I’ve had on DMT, Mescaline, LSD, Shrooms, and Marijuana greatly exceed what I would be able to accomplish in meditation and spiritual practice alone. I think it’s wrong to rule any tool out; they all compliment each other, none will get you there alone. You can’t just be a user and expect the drugs to get you anywhere, you only get out as much as you put into it.

You CAN have a life-changing experience in a single night with the right drugs in the right setting, that you would otherwise only maybe accomplish in a lifetime of religious devotion. Drugs are a great tool but not a necessity. They are for everyone but not necessarily everyone is ready for them. They will speed up your spiritual development though, that’s no doubt.

And faster development means more intense challenges, too. Tripping isn’t always a walk in the park. Your rough acid trip isn’t necessarily bad, I’m sure you learned a lot from that experience and in a way progressed you more than you give it credit for. You know now what setting is disruptive to a flowing consciousness.

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Panos (10) (@panos1313) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

Necessary? No
Helps? A lot

The same way that an airplane is not necessary to go from China to Russia,you can always go on foot, but it definately helps!

I think if psychedelics (terms drugs is kinda wrong) did not have such a bad stigma attached to them, they would be a no brainer for most people.If you take them with a mindset of self improvement you literally have nothing to lose. So if you got nothing to lose….then the op’s question is kinda irrelevant.

I started discovering myself kinda late…right about the time i discovered psychedelics and sometimes i feel that they are a gift to me to make up for the lost time, since they speed things up. As with any path to spirituality….it is you that has to do all the work. No substance or human can do this for you.

P.S. If you are afraid of addiction (or similar behavior), then maybe you have to walk some more on your spiritual path before you are ready to try them.

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Mazzy (3) (@hertealeaves) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

thanks to everyone for your contributions! high existence is an amazing resource. i wasn’t expecting such a lovely bunch of replies and you’ve all given me a ton of food for thought. i’m not going to actively seek out psychedelics but if somewhere along my path they’re offered, i’ll take it as a sign and, with truth in my intentions, use them as a spiritual aid.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@hertealeaves, while research shows that LSD, Magic Mushrooms, Psilocybin, had helped users to reach Ego Death and Mystical expereinces, which help them in there Spiritual Path ,also look at the John Hopkins 2006 universe experiment…
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9522-magic-mushrooms-really-cause-spiritual-experiences.html

Don,t go by the masses….who spread crap like all drugs are dangerous..nothing is necessary Etc….LSD is life changing…it can change ones prespective of life…
http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=2758

take care

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