are old people really victims?

Tine (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago

question, i have often heard or read it said that old people are, ‘left to the wayside’, ‘marginalized by society’,

but is this really true? what sounds more likely, the old person is a victim of external forces or the old person never evolved their emotions to the point where they could concentrate on the ever changing world,

cause i’ll tell you what, i am 28 and when i was 18 cell phones were just being introduced in a smaller-than-home-sized-phone format, not 10 years later we have tiny phones with touchscreen technology,

i know i am not all that old yet, but i can see how the times change, i see the need in developing mental systems to ‘stay in the know’ and to figure out the ever changing world around me,

if i decide not to do so in my life time then it makes sense that at an age where i start to have trouble taking care of myself i become completely helpless.

February 5, 2013 at 5:17 am
Anonymous (254) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

A lot of people spend most of their time raising a family instead of themselves, which is great, but needs no explanation regarding it’s relevance to your topic. I wonder what my generation will suffer at the hands of it’s children? I’m sure it’ll find an inventive workaround for mental systems for staying in the know. Maybe we can be piñatas!

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@tine, You are right. But some old people are marginalised. There is a new ricky gervais show called Derek. I know it is only a comedy drama, but it actually touchs on the truth about what is happening to old people, in the UK and Ireland anyway.

If you get a program called Expat Shield, it’s free and safe, you can watch it. After you have the program google channel 4od. You can watch it there. If you are living in the UK you don’t need the program. They also have a youtube channel, I think you still need the program for that though.

I suggest watching it. It is very good and is very relevant to this topic

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Anonymous (254) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Sacrifice? If they see it as a sacrifice, then they justify being “victims”. Self realized martyrs for their own little cause.

“counter question, speaking in general and vague terms, without emotional growth, what kind of person are you to yourself thus those around you?”

A child.

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Tine (366) (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@mimic,

well, the one sure thing i have started to see about this world is that, outside close friends and family, nobody is going to do shit for me, therefore i need to start planning now in terms of retirement, my financial and also start gathering ideas for a home base for an eventual real estate buy, somewhere in Mexico i think, right on the beach… when we lived there my dad would take us to beach resorts a lot, but my favorite was here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zihuatanejo

and we rented this building,

http://www.villapuestadelsolmexico.com/

for a week, best vacation ever

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Tine (366) (@tine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@mimic,

gotcha, i think i misread what you meant the first time, i agree with your view on their ‘sacrifice’

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Anonymous (254) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Take that frown to Pagliacci the clown!

Mr Freeman’s personal counselling session.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@tine, I don’t use my phone much. Does that make me old? The only way elder people are getting fucked is by their pension, and I’m not talking about America. (It’s kinda common people here to assume the planet is America and the American government is the only one, so I consider idiots reading this thread too)

Tell me an age that isn’t in some way victimized by “society”.

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Anonymous (254) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

“Tell me an age that isn’t in some way victimized by “society” ”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkE1Nbk-wuI

Her age, apparently.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@mimic, She actually sounds like the biggest victim I ever heard. I don’t think it’s age-related though.

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Anonymous (254) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

She gives rapists, murderers and terrorists nightmares. Over the phone. She is the scourge of the darkness, the beacon of light for the underdog.

But you’re probably right, it’s more of a state of mind than an age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRNoIUqfaqA

Combine alcoholism with pensioner problems and we may have the recipe for success.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@mimic, Oh, season 2 of Blackadder is a big weakness of mine. Thanks a lot. :)

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Philip (3) (@managerpip) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I think a lot of it is culture dependent. I think here in the U.S. we have a tendency to ignore people the older they get. I’m not saying everyone buys into it, but there is a certain kind of agism that sees the elderly as a burden and incapable.

At the same time, I think the older people get the more they get trapped in their own bodies. Anything that excites the senses in a good way releases positive chemicals in the brain, and this can be an extremely addicting process. And what we know about the addiction process is not only does it corrode your brain in certain ways, but the stimuli that create the “high” needs to be continually increased as your body develops tolerance. So, I think that as people age they have a higher risk of getting more and more involved in their senses at the expense of higher levels of thinking. I’m not saying this is inevitable. I think it’s a consequence of our consumerist society that pushes the indulgence of senses over the lifespan and many people get overwhelmed and lose the battle against it.

I think these two factors combine in our U.S. culture to create an invisible population in the elderly. Does that make sense?

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Anonymous (254) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@mimic, Oh, season 2 of Blackadder is a big weakness of mine. Thanks a lot. :)”

“They do say, Mrs M, that verbal insults hurt more than physical pain. They are, of course, wrong, as you will soon discover when I stick this toasting fork into your forehead.”

B’ob.

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Anonymous (2,654) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

“Thank you, young crone. Here is a purse full of moneys…which I’m not going to give to you.” – Blackadder

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