Are we (including myself) living on the cost of poor people?

 FLOW (@Conker) 7 years ago

The wealthy people just have such a wealthy life because of the poor and unwealthy people. It is a kind of a unbalance in our days. For example are we buying things to small amount of cash and to make this possible someone is working really hard for a small amount of cash.

What do you think about this? Do you agree?

Sorry about my english, I do my best ;D

October 20, 2014 at 10:39 am
josephm (772) (@josephm) 7 years ago ago

how we spend our money defines us

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Cosmic Fool (11) (@J-CosmicFool-T) 7 years ago ago

Yes, yes we are. Our whole society is based on exploitation. We need to tackle the materialistic ideals in our countries of endless consumption to end this exploitation and create a more equal world. And it’s not just present people from developing countries who suffer because of our exploitative inclinations The whole of western power is based on a colonial past of brutal oppression and the destruction of thousands of indigenous cultures. And the way our capitalist society is run is leading to an earth which is becoming increasingly less habitable and effecting those lesser developed countries worst. This materialistic society based on mindless consumption and exploitation has destroyed thousands of past people’s lives, ruining thousands of people’s lives in the present and is destroying our planet-our future. We well and truly need to change our understanding of how to run the world. This western civilization is built on a rubbish dump of blood and sweat. Well done for seeing through the glass ceiling.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years ago ago

@conker Western society is structured in a pyramid form. The higher rungs on the pyramid feed off of the lower rungs. It’s parasitical by nature. And the higher up you go, the less crowded it gets (that’s why it’s pyramid shaped).

Without going into detail..

Bottom rung is the physical food source (cows, chickens, pigs, etc.). Next up is the labor class in third world countries (child laborers, etc.).

Above that is the western working class (comprised of many illegal immigrants.. factory/restaurant workers, etc).

Then it’s the middle class management workers who keep the gears of the machine turning.

After that is what used to be called the priest class, which consists of doctors, lawyers, scientists, lower level government officials, and the people who keep the indoctrinate the rest of society into a belief system that perpetuates the order of things.

Next is the nobility class. I’m not for sure on this, but I think this class consists of higher level government officials and their protectors (army/police).

There are higher classes than this, such as those who control the economics, etc. And every class feeds off all the classes below it. All the energy of the lower classes is funneled towards the top of the pyramid.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years ago ago

Really there are only 2 classes. Them. Us.

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years ago ago

It’s turning that way. Except it’s not “them and us.” That implies that it’s “their” fault. It’s not their fault. “they” are just better at the game then “you.” Or “they” were just born into a different level of circumstances than you.

Everyone is a slave to the same system, both the slavemaster and the slave himself. It’s a choice to be a slave. If any level of that pyramid stops playing the game, the whole thing collapses. The people at the top do not have any more power than anyone else. Everyone is equally to blame, and people at every level have to be complicit in playing their roles to keep the whole thing afloat.

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YHVH (462) (@spaceghost) 7 years ago ago

Very well said

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Stephani (176) (@dancingscyphozoa) 7 years ago ago

This is why I try my darnedest to avoid places like Wal-mart and “Made in China” because I do not want to support unfair wages/living standards. I am happy to buy one hand-knitted scarf off etsy for $30 than 3 scarfs made in china from target.

Also, you’re English is fine. xD

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FLOW (0) (@Conker) 7 years ago ago

@mikeyw829,
Yeah I understand, it’s like the pyramid of capitalism right? If you don’t know the pyramid google will show you ;)

@dancingscyphozoa,
I think Etsy is a really good thing to avoid living on the cost of the poor.

Thank you :)

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years ago ago

Are you talking about the pyramid with the all-seeing eye at the top? There are many interpretations of that, both positive and negative, that are equally as valid. I wasn’t really basing what I said off of that. Just my observation of how societies are set up. Even chimp groups are set up based on hierarchies and violence.

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FLOW (0) (@Conker) 7 years ago ago

I’m not talking about the pyramid with the eye on the top. I’m talking about the pyramid of capitalism -> google it :).

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years ago ago

Lol that’s funny. Exactly. I’ve never seen that before. I’ve been thinking for a while of making a painting of it with me standing off to the side of it just observing the madness, except I don’t really paint. But people have beat me to it

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FLOW (0) (@Conker) 7 years ago ago

So the problem is the system of capitalism?

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years ago ago

No, I don’t think so. The problem is the human mind that created that system (and many other systems… not just capitalism, but the agricultural system in general). Capitalism is just a byproduct of that mindset.

It worked for a while. Before the agricultural revolution, we were just small bands of nomadic tribes. That mindset of seeking security and protection (which perpetuates that pyramidal structure) allowed us to “tame” nature (both our internal human nature and the external natural world) and form into large societies, etc.

It had its use. now it has overstepped its bounds and has become self-destructive. The idea that humanity as a whole has evolved over the years is a lie. We are the same as we were 10,000 years ago, just with more advanced technology (and that just amplifies the insanity built into the mind). Humanity needs to evolve beyond that level of existence in order for the species to survive.

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FLOW (0) (@Conker) 7 years ago ago

I like your answer and I agree with you. Do I understand it right if I say the explanation to this problem is just the evolution of our technologies. Because not everyone got the same technologies the rich can live on cost of the poor?

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Mike Wuest (510) (@mikeyw829) 7 years ago ago

No I didn’t mean that at all. Increased technology does nothing to change humanity fundamentally. Technology is not good or bad, it is neutral. It just amplifies and magnifies things, like a telescope.

Increasing technology wouldn’t really do anything to change the system (human mind… which creates the external structures) fundamentally. The human mind has to change first.

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Ray (4) (@brainofmorbius) 7 years ago ago

It is true to a degree. Workers who make very low wages support the low prices of goods and services that others benefit from. Ultimately though, its the companies that pay these wages that are responsible. They could raise wages and lower profits to correct the situation. However, many, when they do raise wages, raise the price of the goods/services they sell so they continue to make the same or better profits, and pass the cost on to the consumer – who is often poor as well.

So its all a matter of where the wealth is flowing to. Unfortunately, in western societies more and more there is vast wealth at the top and less and less wealth in the middle and at the bottom of the social ladder. Many economists feel this is unsustainable – that is, that eventually the economy will collapse under such a system because people won’t be able to afford to buy anything…

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Jinay Shah (4) (@Jinay-Shah) 7 years ago ago

Some darkness is needed for the stars to shine

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