Are you Being Tricked?

 Anonymous (@) 4 years, 5 months ago

Hello dear brothers and sisters.

I have some very interesting thoughts I wish to share among you. Interesting to me at least and hopefully to others.

First I will ask a few questions just to illustrate the direction of thought.

Do you believe that deep down we are all one, the entire universe including God?

Do you believe that each one of us has God dwelling within, at our core there is God?

Do you believe that there are no absolutes? Right and wrong are only relative and purely subjective, culturally created?

Do you believe that all roads (religions or beliefs) lead to God?

That Buddha and Jesus where mere teachers of love?

Do you seek awakening or enlightenment?

I’m directing your attention towards one item of literature in particular, a book called “A New Earth” by Eckart (Ulrich) Tolle. This book illustrates very well the message I wish get across. You may not rate this book or find Tolle a credible “spiritualist” or “guru” (as he has been called), in that case I wish to point out that it is not Tolle or his book that is the core of this topic but serves as a tiny aspect of a bigger issue. In terms of this book though it has become very popular and many people agree with its contents, it has also been heavily promoted especially in the U.S, via Oprah Winfrey as one of many associated “celebrities”. Demonstrating the contents influence.

My next question is, do you believe in Satan?

Im not going to resort to liberality in light of this topic, because it is a very serious one. Most would agree our life is precious, our own at least, we love our families and friends and death is something very few can tolerate let alone aspire too. Let me be clear I don’t wish to scare monger or exaggerate anything out of context. But Satan is real, and very active. Also incredibly intelligent as he masquerades as truth.

Its far to simple to see Evil in war, crime and hatred, but Evil also exists in false love and false truth. Thats where it is the most destructive. Because those who are being led astray while seeking a higher truth believe whole heartily they are going the right way.

Tolle’s book is a powerful example of Evil hiding itself in truth, manipulating the author and millions world wide. If you don’t know the book its largely plagiarized from various new age thinkers and Gnostic teachings, filled with common sense based pop psychology, and a disturbing amount of heavily edited scriptures and doctrines from various world religions.

It promotes :

Moral relativism

Religious pluralism

Acceptance of evil and non resistance

Non attachment

Non judgment

*The more serious point to note is that the combined philosophy of this thinking promotes apathy and ignorance- think about it?

At this point I would like to say that Tolle is not the problem, he is a mere pawn, and he probably thinks he doing great deal of good in the world, so I pray for him that he sees how he is being manipulated.

This line of thinking is very well promoted and designed to breed a culture of people less connected, less attached, and less caring of what really happens because their being moulded to accept anything and resist nothing. To see the outside world as a reflection of their internal world, (ignorance). To base all morals subjectively and hope they meet, but some people on the planet still eat humans and others kill female new borns or stone adulterous wives, so what culture then holds the solid subjective human moral frame work?

Also faith is being replaced by “direct experience”, don’t be under any illusions that Satan doesn’t have power that he gives freely to those who go the route he wants them to. Its experience for sure, but what is the source? All religions are being edited and combined, even though all the major faiths are fundamentally different. Jesus for many people is/was an awakened teacher of the past, he was all about love and forgiveness. (They didn’t crucify people 2000 years ago for wanting to promote love and forgiveness).

I was personally tricked for some time, I believed in all the lies that spiritual culture was feeding me. Books likes Tolles don’t resonate with individuals as is led believe, this thinking resonates and sits well in our culture, especially in the west where people are so lost, pluralistic and desperate for truth, happiness and meaning.

*One major problem with taking only what you want from.. say the words of Jesus is.. that when you give him solid credit for saying one sentence and base this sentence as a frame work for a moral or Truth theory, but you deny what he says in another sentence from being true, then the sentence you originally took for your moral or truth theory has lost its credibility due to the denial of another sentence. You basically are saying only half of what he (Jesus) is saying is true, and deciding which is true or not, therefore not only are you picking and choosing Truth but your have a standard by which you make these decisions from…. wake up people does anyone see the stupidity of this?*

I hope someone reads this and starts to question their thinking. This is not a conspiracy, because most gurus, teachers, healers, new ageists and seekers alike all believe they are doing good, promoting peace and love, connectedness and hope. But look deeper and the cracks show.

I recently found Jesus Christ. After a long time lost, playing with pantheistic, Gnostic, spiritualist philosophies.

Jesus is the truth, not us. We are not divine. We are created in the image of our creator, and he is not so abstract that we can not understand how to serve him. We often prefer to serve ourselves.

This writing I do is from a place of great love in my heart to share my story, if even one person questions their thinking from it it’s a victory for God. But although you may tear me apart, call me a small minded idiot or worse. I was once a seeker, with an open mind, then I abandoned the search by noticing the contradictions and circular theories. And then I found the truth, I assure you very few want this truth, and even those who claim it often don’t accept it fully themselves. Its hard to swallow, but I pray for any who have doubts of their own spiritual search, if they question the theories in books like ‘a new earth’ or countless other books and videos etc its a starting point. Just ask Jesus to show you the way, like me you may reject it but once I started to let Him in, great clarity began to emerge, especially around the bigger questions of life, meaning etc. I could write on and on but I’m sure plenty of you are angry enough or wish I didn’t write anything in the first place. If so I don’t apologies for it because I want as many pople as possible to find Jesus.

God Bless,

Andy

April 5, 2014 at 1:16 am
josephm (772) (@josephm) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

i think its easier to get someone to question their thinking if you leave controversial topics aside. some people are forced into certain lifestyles getting raised and it will immediately trigger a fight or flight response.

-Fuck Jesus.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Hello.
Thank you for your opinion of the phycology of the nation, if you are not personally comfortable with discussing “controversial topics” then that is of course your choice.

Asking big questions, controversial ones even are what this discussion board can and does get used for. If in your own words a fight or flight response has been triggered within you, as you are also a person. Then instead of “fighting” like an animal you can debate the topic with me or others. Or instead of taking “flight” like a bird you can simply refrain from future comments.

Thank you.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

youre mistaken if you think we are not animals

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Sir,
This is a different subject, if you are willing to start a new discussion on the reasons why and the argument behind your comment that “we are animals” then I will gladly discuss it with you. But I will not if you resort to profanities or ungrounded unintelligent comments.

Thank you

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

jesus is the anti-christ

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Thank you Sir, God Bless you.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

good luck on the trickery thing

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Thank you Sir. God Bless you.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Woah, okay. This is probably the first time I see someone talk about Tolle this way, I admire your really open mind. :)

I wish I didn’t have to say this but we’re not so different if we share the same views and hold different faiths.

That’s it.

Let me ask everyone a question, though. I am familiar with the stupidity around here, and basically everywhere but for the sake of my question:

Do you know who really laughs the most?

Shit just got real. Who laughs the most? Christians? Buddhists? Mormons? Muslims? Atheists?

Zoroastrians?

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

The strongest believers laugh the most. It doesn’t matter if they’re harmful or helpful. The strongest believers achieve things others just cannot. The strongest believers endure more than those who don’t, no matter their religious location. The strongest believers don’t even talk about their faith, they are grateful enough for where they came from. That’s why religions are threatening to people. There isn’t a power of God. There is an empowerment deeply rooted within our families and that’s where science and religions collide. Taking care of each other is in our DNA.

You are definitely being tricked.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Hello @shoeopener,

Thank you for reading and commenting, let me assure you that what I am going to write in reply to you is not to cause offense and please don’t take it as such.

I am going to make assumptions because you have not clearly defined your position in this discussion, so if I am wrong with my assumptions please correct me.

But first let me address your question, “who laughs the most?” you also have not clearly defined what you mean here, it is somewhat abstract but please don’t think I am trying to over analyze your words – I’m not, I simply want to understand where you are coming from.

From what I gather you are referring ‘laughter’ to who benefits the most from their belief, who “achieves” and can “endure” more for example. My question here is what has that got to do with truth?
Your asking who has the upper hand, and by what you have stated “You are definitely being tricked” this leads me to think that you believe you laugh the most because you believe all religions are wrong and I’m assuming you believe in science, as religions assumed natural opposite.

You are also part of the system of “strongest believer”, you believe in Biology being responsible for “empowerment”- so therefore you are also being “tricked” by your own theory- no?

I must correct you on saying that “the strongest believers don’t even talk about their faith”, this is certainly not true (is this your opinion?), in Christianity and Islam alone the strongest believers not only preach but evangelize and convert people.

Here is where I make my assumption that you don’t believe in God, or be it any God of any faith. You believe that science may have more relevant or compelling answers?

Im afraid your question is more of an opinion that each believer regardless of their faith science or otherwise is “laughing the most” or we could say right. But this is in fact part of what my discussion is addressing – the belief that all are right in their own way – Your saying the same thing, if you believe hard enough you are right.

Can this be true- there is only one truth, do you believe this?

Thank you,

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

I’m an Orthodox Christian, a strong believer in science and Christianity’s traditions and morals. It’s not my fault leading scientists and pastors were never in an official global congruency, so I’d rather not believe in their lack of humanity.

Here is my assumption why you don’t believe in God. You are talking about it.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

My friend,

We are on a different pages here. I am not debating the existence of God. Please re read my original post.
I apologies for my assumptions, I was wrong but you still adhere to a pantheistic view if you consider the strongest of all believers regardless of faith to be right? Do you assume this? Or do you mean that they simply benefit from a strong belief regardless of faith, and if so in what way do they benefit?

Thank you

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

I am an Orthodox Christian who respects Muslims, Scientologists, Cultists, Mormons, Atheists, the imagination of Aliens and fucking reality.

Being a strong believer is beyond the existence of our origins. Get on that page.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Your not answering my question sir

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Articulate a proper question with relevance? You, the preaching about Jesus just fucking asked me what do the strong believers regardless of faith benefit from, so now I’m assuming you’re partially ignoring what I answered.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life, No one goes to the Father except through Him?

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Now that’s a serious question! I’ll answer respectfully.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

I believe in Bob Dylan.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Thank you,

God Bless

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Well, that was a relief. I don’t know how much I can stand repeating myself to you guys.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

And why the fuck are you calling a complete stranger a friend? That is not how you make friends, you don’t need religion to make friends, you need information, time, trust and a mere knowing of your lies to call someone a friend. Mind yourself.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Im sorry you feel that way sir, not answering my question answers it for me. I’m sorry if I offended you with my earlier assumptions but personally attacking me is unnecessary from my perspective.

God Bless

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

For the record, I’d love to have the same conversation without someone labeling me as pantheistic, agnostic, atheist, lesbian.

It doesn’t matter if you believe in God or not if a simple conversation just isn’t happening.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

I didn’t label you as anything, I asked if you where using pantheistic view, You called yourself an orthodox Christian, not me. Sir lets not play word games here. My question is a yes no question.

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Marlon (97) (@shoeopener) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Sir, Bob Dylan is Jewish and believes in Jesus, you are not asking a yes/no question about religion to me.

Ever.

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krkrich (148) (@krkrich) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

I appreciate and enjoy new perspectives. I also have never heard of anyone speak of this book in that light so this caught my attention. However, when I read this post, many questions come to my mind.

For starters, this book does not promote apathy & ignorance. If anything, it is trying to steer people away from that because thats the way society is heading. We’re becoming more disconnected, divided & ignorant & this book is trying to wake people up to that by attacking the root cause, which Is the ego. This book is about growth & progression.

Since when are non judgement & non attachment evil things? I am totally confused by this. The book is not about becoming a “hippy” & not caring about whats going on in the world. Its about not getting caught up in the trivial shit. The stuff that doesn’t matter. And non resistance does not mean you just sit around & accept evil and let it take over lmao. Nonresistance is about clearing all the mental chatter in a situation & accepting what is. All of the “why is this happening to me?” & “It shouldn’t be like this” thoughts. You accept what is and move on from there.

I do believe the outside world is directly correlated to the inside world. Thats the reason why the world is so fucked up now. Most people deep down are in fear & that reflects in the world. Its the reason there’s so much greed, pollution. selfishness, destruction, killing, need for control, etc. If people fixed the problems they had inside, it would reflect in the world.

And lastly, this book is not a religious text. Tolle believes that many of the teachings in different religious texts have been misinterpreted. He never said that Jesus was right about this & wrong about that. He’s saying that the interpretations of his words have been skewed & changed to mean other things than their original intention.

You say that your writing comes from a place of great love, yet you also mention that evil can exist in false love & that is definitely the vibe I got from this post. You do a lot of judging and you are claiming to know what the absolute truth is. Then you try to point out all of the possible negative reactions that people could have to your post ahead of time as a way of reinforcing everything you are saying. If people react negatively to your post & you said that it would happen, then everything you said must have truth to it. That logic is not going to work with me. You are trying to give people the answers and steer them to believe your beliefs. You have every right to believe what you want but when people claim to have the absolute truth, I become very skeptical of them & their agenda.

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Anonymous (5) (@) 4 years, 5 months ago ago

Hello@krkrich,

I appreciate your time in responding to my post.

I want to assure you my motives for the post are certainly not to make people believe my beliefs and my prediction of negative responses is not to cover myself or claim prophecy but to make it clear that people can give me their direct opinions uncloaked without a need for unnecessary diplomacy.

I thought the exact same way as you did only until recently, and you sound a lot like I sounded. But I can confidently tell you that Tolle is wrong with his interpretations of scriptures and with his theory that millions of others got it wrong before he could correctly interpret them.
I ask you one question- why do you give such authority to Tolle as being correct?
He is also claiming absolutes.

You are simply repeating what is in his book, I was also doing the same thing, but I urge you to think about what it is I wrote. What do I loose or gain by saying this to you?

Tolle talks about letting go of the “ego”, do you really understand this?

I agree Tolles book does not actively promote apathy and ignorance but that is the result, really look through the book, and read the corresponding Bible scriptures in their original context. Tolle is talking about a different Jesus than the one in the Bible, he is creating his own Jesus, (Tolles interpretation).

I ask you why do think the Bible is wrong but Tolle is right?

What exactly do you change inside that stops the war in Syria, for example?

Your getting the Vibe of false love from my post, I understand as when I discovered this myself I got a strong rejection to it, but listen it is a trick. Why would Tolle use anything from the Bible if it has been so heavily misinterpreted, is he giving you his opinion? Why would he say anything, or take lines form religious scriptures if he doesn’t consider them to be right or wrong?

Im just covering what you mentioned to me, but If you have any further questions please ask away.

Thank you

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