Hello, I have been registered on this website for quite a while now, reading a lot of posts but not really making my own contribution. There are many reasons behind that which I will address in this post. This post will not focus on myself and my lack of contribution but rather my discontent with some of the notions being put forward in this website which have led to my lack of presence. First of all, I sense there is a general focus on spirituality with terms such as “inner-self, true-self, soul” being thrown around endlessly. For me, that is a lot of people talking shit. Let’s get some things straight about myself which might clarify how I view things. I see myself as a very rational individual. Any claim needs to be backed up by proof, otherwise it has no value in my eyes. I am also very reluctant about what I perceive to be true as I do acknowledge that things are not quite as easy as they seem…if anyone wishes to challenge any claim I make in this post please do so. I try to be as objective as possible and my philosophy of life is Solipsism – I only know that my mind exists while I doubt the existence of others. While I do not take this as literally as the definition goes, I still focus on myself as an individual primarily while doubting those around me.
Back to spirituality. I am really curious what notions such as “soul” or “self” mean to you. I have always been curious about the very existence of a “soul” which there is no proof for except for an experiment which is doubtful to say the least. For me, my mind and my body is all I have. I am focused on making the best decisions but I cannot seem to fit a soul into this. Every form of cognition is generated from the brain. What is the soul then?
A lot of general, thought-provoking ideas are also thrown around which are true but I presume are taken as words of wisdom when I don’t see them as such. “You are the Universe” or “We are all connected”. Let’s examine those. Yes it is true, we are all made of atoms at a molecular scale. In that sense we are describing ourselves as the smallest(not really) particle of ourselves. That’s the same thing as saying a car is a tire or a cat is a hair…it is basically stating what Kurt Vonnegut said:”Everything is nothing…with a twist”. With that mentality it is hard to make any presumptions about anything. Looking at the second one, yes, we are all connected through our actions and the environment in which we live in. Some claim that they can feel what others are thinking and I even saw someone “My experience connected with his/hers”. That’s bullshit. Your bias wanted you to feel that way so you could relate. Truth is you’re all alone in this world. Completely and utterly alone. Every single breeze,thought or feeling that you will ever experience will be of your own. This somehow relates to my Solipsist view.
I believe in science. I believe in explanation. I believe that if you don’t agree with something, you debate it. I believe in biology, chemistry, physics, mathematics even though I probably don’t excel at any of those. Please stop talking bullshit and think before you post. If anyone feels that I haven’t done so here, please comment and point out my mistakes, it is somewhat hypocritical of me to criticize knowing that I know so little myself, but there are some things which are hard to ignore.
‘I am really curious what notions such as “soul” or “self” mean to you.’
Honestly, I have no idea. I don’t know if I will ever have an answer, when we can’t know for certain. I use spiritual language because I find it the best way to discuss aspects of life. Aspects of my life, which ultimately I have no idea of the outcome or meaning. I am fully aware that a large part of my spirituality could be nothing more than placebo. It doesn’t stop me from talking about it. Stop being so god damn judgemental.
‘Some claim that they can feel what others are thinking and I even saw someone “My experience connected with his/hers”. That’s bullshit.’
Well that’s that then. I won’t waste time in talking about this one with you.
‘I believe in science’
Cool. So do I. But I do not let it speak for all experiences in my life.
‘it is somewhat hypocritical of me to criticize knowing that I know so little myself’
Glad you said it.
Well then, you should have just said that :D Of course we do. I agree that a lot of people claim to know what they cannot. I guess a lot of the time when people find some truth in something, they then attach all truth to it.
This is part of something I wrote the other day;
‘Never expect another to accept your truth if they do not have reason or experience to back it up. Don’t allow a lack of reason or experience to frustrate you. We are all on different paths going at different speeds. Everything another says needs to be evaluated against your own reason and experience.’
I’m pretty sure it’s all any of us have. Our own truth, based on our own reasoning and experience. And if yours is all-rational, then fair enough, but do not expect others to be coming from the same place.
I think that everyone is entitled to their opinions, and that you have no place in putting down what someone else thinks. I mean go back a few hundred years ago and if you said that there were all sorts of waves floating through the air (electromagnetic spectrum) people would have said that you are some sort of crazy man. But our science and technology has advanced enough for us to know this. So I don’t think you should be putting down the idea of the soul and saying there isn’t one, just saying that it hasn’t been proved yet but there could be one.
“Talking shit” is just a nasty way of saying people are addressing something outside your purview. Why are you curious about the concept of “soul” when you yourself state that it is scientifically impossible to define and doesn’t meet the strictures required by empirical evidence? That being said, wouldn’t all ‘debates’ fall short of your intransigent criterion and thereby be an exercise in futility. Perhaps you have doubts about your belief that you have no soul.
I don’t believe you are ‘mistaken.’ You are in a confounding dilemma called life. Quite clearly there are areas within reality that are beyond human conception and perception. (Member Hello touches on this) I had a science professor say “that in science there are no truths, just facts.” Everything is a phenomena, everything! Of course, from that exacting, scientific point of view the concept of a soul and spirit is perplexing, for it fails to be observed, duplicable and measureable. The belief in a soul does require quite an abundance of suspended reason. This belief doesn’t mean someone is “talking shit,” it means their life has been touched by something intangible but indubitably palpable. A rare thing is the mother of a child that doesn’t believe in soul. In Hinduism there is the concept of Prakriti and Purusha. Essentially they believe that we (you, me and everyone) share the same universal soul- Purusha (a piece of the entire Atman) Our bodies, gender, race, culture, (Prakriti) and their relative karma, are what distinguishes one from the other. We ARE all the same from the perspective of divinity. Essentially we are all descended from God, the good and the bad (for whatever reason) and therein is the rub. You don’t want to believe this regardless of the miraculousness all around us. You have constructed a mindset that compels you to dismiss the possibilities outright. Yet, in your writing, I sense a soul seeking verification of itself. That’s life. Best wishes and regards. K
Well, I am a person of science myself, but it does not stop me from considering other ideas, I myself believe our science is going to be completely overthrown numerous times, it happened often enough in the past. And there are things science cant tell us, jet. You ever read posts from Ray Butler? He is always giving an extremely well thought, polite opinion and wise opinion, often based on scientific facts, same as manimal. Start discussion with other people, and always e polite, friendly and open for new things, I have learned a lot here, and I give you the advice to start posting and claiming your point of view, it will allways be a interesting input :D