As Opposed to the craze of LSD Mushrooms and other Psychedelics!

Baba (@myselfbaba22) 9 years, 2 months ago

This is something which i found to be quite popular and seen as acceptable here on HE. I dont know whether its the social outlook that i happened to be brought up in or the effect of the medical background that i got, i tend to see these as unhealthy behaviour that seem to serve its user no good, and probably more harm to self and others. I am open to arguments as against this. Its not like i want to indulge in them and am wanting you to quell my conscience as against it. I just want to know if its sane for people to use it?!

March 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm
DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

I mean, I will allow you to actually click the links or search for the truth, but psychedelics are widely becoming seen as MUCH more beneficial from a medical standpoint. Reconsider what it is you have been taught and step outside of the box.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Of course its sane. Have you ever even thought about what they do to you?
Any which way you look at psychedelics- they are good for you, and for the world. I’ve never met a person who said tripping was bad. It’s like people who think weed is bad- until they smoke it, then they get that, “oooooooooooohhh” thing goin on.

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Baba (17) (@myselfbaba22) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

quite unfortunately, thats the dribble as u pointed out that they are teaching stil at medical school. i went through all your links (except for the wiki!), and tel me buddy, how many of its users here on HE are near-death or got resistant-PTSD?! And i was greatly surprised with the John Hopkins paper. Not by the result, but by the fact that they did such a study. One, the fact that some Spiritual organisation funds them and they say in their result that ‘magic mushrooms boost spiritual thought’ makes it slightly less credible i suppose. And the study quotes all participants were ‘psychologically healthy’ and also states were ‘spiritually active’ (am sorry if i offend anyone, but its still not very easy for me to see ‘spirituality’ as a sane concept) which i dont see as going together. And lastly, it speaks of single-dose of it a year. Gues ppl dont remember the ceiling then! And even in the study, they are exploring the potential of psychedelics for ‘therapeutic uses’, not for recreational or ‘figuring-out-higher-truths’ purpose. And before one may qualify for therapy, they need be unwell (medically unwell). And if you are listen to the paper you quoted, they strongly advise against non-supervised use of it.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, Well sort of. Someone has a bad heavy trip, they can be scarred for life. Check LSD erowid experience reports under health problems.

But in my opinion that is just evidence we as a society need to address the issue differently.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@myselfbaba22, In the 50’s before this stuff was banned they found a single dose of LSD assited with psychotherapy had a high cure rate for alcoholism. LSD as you know has VERY low potenital for addiction and INCREDIBLY low toxicity.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/03/09/could-lsd-treat-alcoholism/

And one of the more dangerous/far out psychedelics the medical community doesn’t understand very well, Iboga, as a 42% cure rate on heroin addiction. HEROIN. What conventional treatment has that high effect, especially overnight?
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400989/Iboga-Exotic-Treatment-for-Addiction.html

And maybe the reason you aren’t in touch with your ‘spirituality’ is because you have never partaken in the experience? Of course it’s easy to dismiss the spirit world if you’ve never seen it.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, Yeah they could- but that person could have had issues to begin with also. IMO a healthy mind will *usually* always benefit from a psychedelic trip, and like everything else- its about moderation.

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Cody (472) (@versai) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

To the knowledgeable user, these substances can be used appropriately and effectively. I’ve personally never tried LSD, only natural psychedelics for me so far. Their use can be traced back through history, often serving a pivotal role in the spiritual and intellectual development of many ancient cultures. I’ve personally spent weeks researching any psychedelic before trying it, to best prepare myself and set intentions to use it appropriately. In the right context, psychedelics can be the most valuable instrument humanity has to explore the metaphysical. With enough dedication, one can learn how to use these correctly even without the aide of a shaman or spiritual guide. The answers are out there for those who wish to seek them.

I’ve personally gained so much from my psychedelic use the past two years. I would otherwise be on a very narrow and selfish path of material wealth and half-realized morality. Every day I thank the creator for giving me the opportunity to have these experiences.

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Baba (17) (@myselfbaba22) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, Note, to you and also others in general, i have tried it. I hav got drunk, hav smoked, and hav tried a handful of psychedelics. I havnt a problem starting. And i never did them more than once. I just wanted to explore them al, know life first-hand. And that was my motivation behind it. I dont see anything as wrong or right. Nor good or bad for that case. I see them as gainful or harmful. Though i wouldnt mind considering the former two dimensions as well. And this is not a personal quest or query. Its de-personal. What i intend here is to see if its rational, whether beneficial, if not, at least not harmful, and are the ramifications of its use manageable. So dont go personal against me here. It wil be a distracting deviation.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, Set and setting. Even with a healthy mind. A slight paranoia is intensified a million times (LSD is the worst for this).

Psychedelics like ayahuasca or psyilocybin imo should NOT be taken with friends for recreation. It should be done alone in silent darkness eyes closed. It’s been reported by some that they experience nothing eyes open aside from adrenaline, but with eyes closed they experience entities, helper spirits, and “gaia” consciousness.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@myselfbaba22, Well you see, certain psychedelics don’t do the trick. LSD will never (well, maybe not never) give you the spirt realm of ayahuasca.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

*And the wikipedia link was just medical cannibas, I’m sure you’re already aware of how it can help.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, I agree, but even real LSD would fit that category too. LSA is a different story, and I’m not even sure what to think of it. It just feels fucking weird. haha.

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MattSeven (15) (@mattseven) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Some minds do well with such experiences, some don’t. Like everything else. No more elaborate argument required.

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Anonymous (7) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

If you truly want to accept who you are, just eat an eighth of shrooms.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@cras4444, I disagree. The stuff ain’t for everybody. Some people can be very harmed.

And an eighth isn’t enough to invoke a mystical experience from my understanding. You need at least five grams.

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Anonymous (7) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, I guess it does depend on the person. An eighth does work for me though.

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Anonymous (7) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@ballsackturtles23, I guess it does depend on the person. An eighth does work for me though.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@myselfbaba22, Why don’t you take them and find out.

How will you ever know / convince yourself otherwise.

Its been proven that psilocybin increases Neural Growth Factor 1 in the brain, which is one of the holy grail’s of psychology and neurology.

But to convince someone and to attempt to explain the experience to someone with a background in stigma and an defeatist attitude towards these substances is a losing battle. An astronaut can tell you how it feels to see Earth from the moon or space, but you will not know.

A highly trained buddhist person can tell you what nirvana feels like if they have been close, but you cannot know.

Much the same a person can tell you how painful a black widow bite is – but you’re not going to know.

Since there is nothing to fear but fear itself in the cases of these substances (aside from the legality) there is nothing stopping you from testing it yourself.

They are not addictive, so there is no danger there.

Your brain increases in synaptogensis and neurogenesis afterwords.

It has been touted as a short-cut to enlightenment.

It can cure anxiety, cluster headaches, PTSD, depression, amongst other things.

It has been shown to increase empathy and love.

It allows for the greatest and deepest interpersonal communication, as well as introspection.

What you do have to worry about:
If you don’t ‘let go’ during a trip, you can easily be consumed by fear.
If you think you can fly, because you’re an idiot, please try it from the ground first, before jumping off a building (thanks Bill Hicks).

EDIT: I see you claim to have tried a “handful of psychedelics”. for some reason I don’t believe you.
1) your first post implies you didn’t
2) you specifically mention drinking (not a psychedelic in most cases) and smoking, but then just say… a handful of psychedelics.
3) nothing you have said so far would even remotely tell me that you have had any type of experience.

So, either you are lying, for some very odd reason.
Or you haven’t really had an experience.

Which is it?

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MattSeven (15) (@mattseven) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

Ice cream isn’t for everybody. Onions aren’t for everybody. Peanuts aren’t for everybody. Shellfish isn’t for everybody….do we really need to point to the obvious? OK…

Try it. If you don’t die, then see what happens next. If you don’t like what happens next, don’t do it again.

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josephm (772) (@josephm) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

sane people? PLEASE EAT<<<<

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Zane (89) (@albinomongoose) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@myselfbaba22, Hey, I appreciate your thread. I’ve always wanted to make one like it, entitled “The Other Side of Psychedelics” or “LSD & Shrooms: Rabbit Holes Better Left Unexplored?”, because we don’t get enough dissenting opinions on this site.

It’s a legitimate question: Should we expose our minds to these incredibly powerful, reality warping, chemicals?
Will we ultimately lead more fulfilling lives with use of these substances, or will we end up like that hippie everyone knows, who’s taken Acid one to many times?

Here’s my experiences and thoughts (I’ve taken shrooms about half a dozen times, and LSD once, and I’m a 19 year old male):
-Dose size is immensely important. A low dose feels like a strong Marijuana high, a high one will cause total transformation of sensory input and mental processes
-There are some notable physical symptoms, like: runny nose, sweaty hands, dilated pupils, and upset stomach (shrooms)
-Time dilation is very pronounced. The present moment stretches into infinity
-There are moments of immense clarity, when life feels perfect in every way, but also the opposite
-Thought Looping is probably the WORST effect IME. There have been times when I felt completely insane, like my mind was a broken record
-Makes me immensely aware of my ego and the excuses I make for doing what I do. I feel like I can analyze myself objectively, without egoistic obfuscation. This is the BEST effect.

One other thing I notice: When I take psychedelics, I’ve usually been planning it a long time, and I tend to ROMANTICIZE the experience, to the point that when I actually take it, I’m left thinking, “OK, so here I am, on shrooms. What did I expect to happen? For reality to suddenly reveal the secret of life? This moment is just like all the others, and I should stop thinking one experience will lead to happiness, it’s lazy, and makes me wonder about my priorities”

So those are my thoughts on the enigmatic substances. I’d like to hear some of your more specific opinions on the matter, and I hope some other people will list their insights.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@cras4444, Have you communicated with the logos? Nothing is sadder than someone taking a dose saying how “unbelievable” it is, and they haven’t even touched the mystery.

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Shivvy (86) (@shivvy) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, I’m with you on not believing he tried any.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 9 years, 2 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Be careful when using “there is no danger”.

Yes they aren’t not addictive. Yes they aren’t toxic. I’m a sufferer of HPPD. That is a real possibility. It’s a very serious condition. Can be very scary to be tripping HARD when you haven’t taken anything.

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