Atheists probably believe in God

 Pretzilstix (@Pretzilstix)8 years, 2 months ago

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. Granted there are a lot of ways to define “God”, but they all tend to share the theme of being the creator of the universe. If this is what God is, wouldn’t whatever created the universe be considered “God”? Playing around with a few theories, the creator of the universe could be: A physical being, a spirit, a thought, the big bang, yourself, humans creating a paradox, another universe, FSM, ect…

That being said, atheists simply don’t believe in a divine being, by definition. A divine being is said to be “God-like”. God is the creator of the universe, not necessarily a spirit or physical being. It is my understanding that an atheist has a theory of how the universe was created, while an -agnostic- simply doesn’t commit to any speculation. This seems like a paradox to me.

God = Creator of the universe
Atheist = Doesn’t believe in a divine being
Divine being = Creator of the universe
Thus an atheist must believe in God, no?

The only exception to this that I can think of would be if someone thought the universe simply wasn’t created. That the universe always was and always will be.

I’d particularly like to hear from some atheists on this matter. Also, if anyone finds a mistake in my logic, by all means share it! This line of thinking seems really basic to me and I can’t help but feel it’s flawed somewhere, even if I can’t find it. Sometimes it helps to have someone else take a look at the same problem.

May 15, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, Their naivete lies not in their disbelief in religious propaganda but in their belief that human intellectual capacity was collectively lower 2500 years ago than it is now.

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, Is it not ignorant or naive to assume all atheists believe the same things beyond ideas not directly related to the existence of a god?

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, Too bad Religious people base their philosophy on ignorance and naivete. “Everyone else is stupid and we’re not.”

How stupid of Atheists to base their philosophy on facts and evidence….

@chekovchameleon, Well put.

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@dafunks, *tips cap*

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, atheists take religion literally.
@dafunks, yes.

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, Atheists don’t believe in God, or any such concept of similar or identical bearing. That is the only general statement that can be made atheists.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@dafunks, “facts and evidence” it’s all a hegelian dialectic ego ideological squirting fest.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, Who said that any religion takes the idea of god literally as a man in the sky?

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, Maybe you need to learn what a fact is. Because the fact is that you do not.The other fact is that a God or Gods or any divine being has no evidence of ever existing.

This is also a pointless thread now. It will just turn into people getting hurt. Go pray/talk in tongues or something.

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, many people. the individual may not take it literally but they do not speak for the opinions of all religious people.

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@pretzilstix, “Divine being = Creator of the universe” This assumption is the flaw in your argument.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, so is atheism anti-religion?

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, Not necessarily, but why would a vegetarian support a slaughterhouse.

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

Being Anti-Anything is a bad thing. But Atheism is someone who does not believe in a Gold or religion. See it how you like… Most will have no interest in your assumptions apart from entertaining themselves with your misguided Faith.

@chekovchameleon, Amazing yet again

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, so atheists do take religion literally and thus my initial point stands. Mainstream atheism cannot exist but in contrast with mainstream religion-ism and it does nothing but to perpetuate the disinformation.

Edit: The disinformation is the literal and superficial view of religion.

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

We are all born Atheists. So no, your wrong.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@dafunks, you are sounding evermore fanatical.

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, Maybe, Maybe you should look in the mirror.
But I find all true religious people are… It is part of being in a religion is it not?
I have never denied being a fanatical Atheist.

I just love the topic of religion. I find it amazing how people can believe these things. But I also see the horrific things that come with most of these religions.

But again, we are all born Atheists. So no, your wrong.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@dafunks, where did i say that i was “religious”?

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DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, I did not say you were. Its odd how many people have answered your questions fully but you never reply to them. Maybe you should… Then this topic can end.

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@dafunks, The fact is that this sentence was never posted. It’s odd how chickens have tails but they move their heads.

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy, not quite sure how much clearer I can make this. An atheist is someone who does not believe in God(s).

Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or god

It is irrelevant how atheists take religion, whether it be literally or figuratively because we are not the believers.

Atheists do not discount all the teachings of religions as wrong. Atheists simply don’t believe in god.

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Anonymous (68) (@) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

lot of people dont really know what science is saying and they create their own retarded theories based on a lot of misinformation and misinterpretations of stuff they read somewhere.

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Hopalong (21) (@hopalongmcgurk) 8 years, 2 months ago ago

@whowhatwhy,

Obviously there are a million different interpretations of every bible and every religion. As an atheist, I personally don’t care much about any of them. The metaphors are interesting, sometimes beautiful, and always philosophical, but overall, they don’t matter to me. They don’t affect how I live my life in any way. To put it another way:

“Whether you take the doughnut hole as a blank space or as an entity unto itself is a purely metaphysical question and does not affect the taste of the doughnut one bit.” – Haruki Murakami

So whatever point you think atheists are missing about religion–and maybe you’re right about that, maybe you’re wrong–it doesn’t make a difference. Being atheist, for me at least, means it’s just not very important to me.

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