Becoming a philosopher.

Hitomi (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago

Is all I ever wanted…
But I don’t know how to get there? How do you think one can be a philosopher? What is your definition of philosophy? What branch of philosophy do you prefer and think is more interesting and why?

April 21, 2013 at 6:14 am
Anonymous (177) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, college degree in philosophy, masters degree in philosophy, work in philosophy (maybe college professor?) Now then, is “being” a philosopher all you ever wanted, or maybe just “answers” to the big questions of life?

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@rickyferdon, not just answers… I wanted to engage in philosophical activities, be able to teach someday not in the traditional sense of the word “teach” but as in getting together with a group of young students and discussing great philosophical work and providing our own explanations of things…

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

But the thing, is I don’t know if I want that anymore… the excitement is gone ( the what are you going to do with philosophy argument sort of reduced the please after hearing it over and over again) I also want to do music but feel the same way…

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

I think in reality what I really want is to be free…

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Anonymous (177) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

“…as in getting together with a group of young students and discussing great philosophical work and providing our own explanations of thingsā€¦” Getting together and engaging young people in conversation is GREAT! Yet, be careful in asking to them to “consider maybe” this or that as you offer explanations. Never offer explanations as the way or truth.

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@rickyferdon, Yes! :) That’s what I want to do.

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Anonymous (359) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@rickyferdon, That is a really good thing to be cautious about. I had a teacher who taught young people to think independently but he was working his own agenda and never approved of the ideas that didn’t lead back to his answers. young people are fragile, lol.

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@anjelica, I agree totally! That’s why I want to do this, because when I started studying ENglish literature at university all the teachers were imposing their readings on us and wanted us to just follow what they said, so I thought I should do philosophy because maybe it can be less dogmatic than literary studies?

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stootachtig (8) (@stootachtig) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

Well. Even in Philosophy there are almost ‘standardized’ ways of how to look at a paper someone wrote. But that’s mostly because other people have been looking at them for more than 1000 years..

If you want to do something with philosophy, you can always start with reading the ‘standard’ books. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle to begin with. And also reading the responses on those books. But if you take actual courses in it, you will get a real challenge ;) I studied philosophy for 1 year, and i can say: do it. Even if its just for a year, you will learn a lot about the world and even more about yourself :)

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stootachtig (8) (@stootachtig) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

Also about my interest: I’m interested in the philosophy of language and logic. It’s one of the most difficult subjects to understand because it gets confusing very fast ;) Another, much more simple field is that of ethics and politics. Debating in this field is lovely, and it gets really close to your true self and your own opinion, which makes it very interesting.

Are you able to shoot one man, to save seven others?

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, Just go onto job websites and look in the philosophical operative section. lol.

okay joking aside.

Step 1: Read. Read. Read. ( every fucking philosophical Idea ever written down)

Step 2: Contemplate. Contemplate. Contemplate. (Think about everything and weigh everything against everything else then study your own argument and find the flaws in the logic)

Step 3: Write. Write. Write. ( write your ideas and arguments down)

Step 4: Edit. Edit. Edit. (edit the shit out of everything you write. “there is no great writing, only great rewriting”)

Also you have to ask yourself, what does it mean to be a philosopher? And what does it mean to you? Do you want to be a “philosopher” because it is cool or hip and it sounds original when people ask you what you do? Or are your bones aching with the thirst for knowledge and better understanding and to write and teach and learn? Are you ready to do the frankly sick amount of work it requires and the largely reclusive lifestyle?

It’s kind of like professional poker players, technically they don’t exist. There is no league to decide who goes pro and there are no restrictions for games or tournaments based on skill level. There is no system to go through to become a pro. You are either a professional poker player or you aren’t. It is just a name players give themselves ( in fact there are some “pros” who don’t even make a profit, they are just rich enough to have no job and play poker all the time. There are also non-pros [part-time players] who run deep in major tournaments and make massive profits).
I guess what I’m saying is if you are asking ” how do I become a philosopher”, you probably will never be one. You don’t become a philosopher, just as you don’t become a writer or poet or musician or artist or pro poker player. You either are or you are not. It is all about how you view yourself.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions,

I think most of us are already philosophers without realizing it, we’re just not publicly acknowledged as philosophers.

I literally found out or discovered what philosophy was about 2 months ago, but before then I had already been thinking about philisophical things. You wouldn’t believe how excited I was when I found out that the things and theories I thought about were an actual educational subject.

The first thing I did was look up philosophy jobs and ponder on the idea of earning a living of a philosopher. Only thing I could find were instructor positions at universities. But then after thinking about it a little more, I realized I don’t really want to be a philosopher in a sense. I don’t want to get paid to think about philisophical topics because then I think it would become boring. And I would have to think on someone else’s terms. Thinking deeply about things isn’t something I enjoy doing in my free time, its just something I do. Its like breathing. And philosophy is only one of my many interest.

Regardless of whether our not philosophy is my profession, thinking philosophically is still something I do, so I consider myself a philosopher.

Im interested in metaphysics and epistemology. I’ve always wondered about my soul and how do I know I actually have knowledge or my knowledge is valid.

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@stootachtig,I am interested in the same thing!! :)
I am doing linguistics right now. Although I am studying a very “standard” and down to earth subject — motivation in second language learning– I can’t stop thinking about questions which of are more pertaining to the philosophy of language than anything else! I am thinking about doing my PhD in something that combines both.

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yugen (29) (@jreynolds789) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

Each of us are philosophers.

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, I am. @monkeyzazu,
I guess I should probably continue doing linguistics and mix it with philosophy of language for my PhD, and study philosophy because I want to and not make it my source of living for now but rather because I love it, and if eventually I manage to get a living from it then why not, but it’s better to have it as a goal and not a means to a goal! Unlike what I am studying now (which if you think about it is not that bad, I did learn some stuff)

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, You are what………?

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, I just Am :) “let it be”

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Anonymous (145) (@) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, philosophy is the love of wisdom, it is a state of mind not a job.

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MarkII (71) (@mwinship13) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@stootachtig, Language and logic are definitely my favorite.
@whowhatwhy, That sucks since I want my life to be all about my state of mind.

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions,Good point.

You’ll make a great philosopher.

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@chekovchameleon, that’s nice! :)

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stootachtig (8) (@stootachtig) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, Nice! Didn’t see that coming though. At the moment I’m studying Arts&Economics; Event Management, and want to make money with organizing events. The key element of philosophy has become more of a way of life. Always question everything. always stay curious.

If you can mix it in, why not? It sounds great to use philosophy as a part of research. I have never been able to do that.

What are you reading at the moment that you can advice me? I’d love to learn something new :)

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Hitomi (67) (@kidvisions) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@stootachtig, I am reading House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski. I made a post here about that but nobody seemed to care… This author is just incredible!
I think having a degree which will allow you to earn a living is smart, that’s why I studied English ( since Arabic is the main language of my country English majors can get jobs easier than other people, and of course I didn’t want to do engineering and stuff like that I wanted to do something in the humanities) and I am writing my MA thesis on motivation to learn English as a second language by pensioners and teenagers in Tunisia (which is a multilingual context since French is most people’s second language) but for my PhD I want to do something different, since a PhD will get me to teach at university and philosophy is pretty much useful if you want to be a uni professor! :)

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E.C.F. Doyle (346) (@chekovchameleon) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions XD…………. :-|

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stootachtig (8) (@stootachtig) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@kidvisions, Just read something about that book on Wiki. It sounds insane.. So I’ll definitely give it a try ;) I know a little bit about Tunisia, been there once. I do remember almost everybody spoke French and English was less common. But of course the internet changes everything.. Still, why would a pensioner be motivated to learn English?

And in what way do you think philosophy will be useful for you?

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