The majority of the time we tend to think about death, e.g. when will it come, what will it be like and whether it will be painful, where will our soul go after we pass(if you believe we have souls that is).
However what really intrigued me some time earlier this day, was what are we before birth? After death we are… well dead… And thinking of it from a literal sense, before we are born, our atoms are scattered around the places before your mum indirectly collected them to make you while you were growing inside of the womb.
Like waking up without ever going to sleep, and yet here you are reading this with your own views, opinions, perspectives and motives. With your own feelings and memories and love.
So my question is, where do you guys think that our character and personality originate from? Is there a soul, a consciousness that is assigned to our baby body? or what do you view it as?
I’m really interested as to what you people think of it.
There is a psychologist, Dr. Michael Newton , who is one of many who use hypnotherapy to regress patients to
earlier times in their lives in order to help them discover any possible reasons from their childhoods that might be affecting issues they are experiencing in the present day. Other therapists at the time were beginning to explore the idea of using hypnosis for the purpose of past life regression. Dr. Newton believed that this idea was pure quackery and psuedo-science, something that no real psychologist would even consider.
One day he was treating a patient suffering from pain in his leg and no amount of medical diagnosis could discover the cause. Dr. Newton was called in to try to learn if the cause was psychological in nature. This experience would change not only his views on past life regression. It would alter the the entire course of his life. Here is and excert from the introduction to his book “destiny of souls” which you can download here:
In the introduction to Journey of Souls I explained my background as a traditional hypnotherapist and how skeptical I had been about the useof hypnosis for metaphysical regression. In 1947, at age fifteen, I placed my first subject in hypnosis, so I was definitely old school and not a New Ager. Thus, when I unintentionally opened the gateway to the spirit world with a client, I was stunned. It seemed to me that most past life regressionists thought our life between lives was just a hazy limbo that only served as a bridge from one past life to the next. It was soon evident I had to find out for myself the steps necessary to reach and unlock a subject’s memory of their existence in this mysterious place.
After more years of quiet research, I was finally able to construct a working model of spirit world structure and realized how therapeutic this process could be for a client. I also found that it did not matter if a person was an atheist, deeply religious, or believed in any philosophical persuasion in between once they were in the proper super conscious state of hypnosis, all were consistent in their reports. It was for this reason that I became what I have come to call a spiritual regressionist. This is a hypnotherapist specializing in life after death.
I wrote Journey of Souls to give the public a foundation of information, presented in a tight, orderly progression of events, of what it is like to die and cross over who meets us, where we go, and what we do as souls in the spirit world before choosing our next body for reincarnation. This format was designed as a travelogue through time using actual case histories from clients who told me of their past experiences between former lives. Thus, Journey of Souls was not another past life book about reincarnation but rather broke new ground in metaphysical research which had been virtually unexplored by the use of hypnosis. I became obsessed with unraveling the secrets of the spirit world as I built up a high volume of cases. This made me more comfortable with the validity and reliability of my earlier findings.
Hi Filip, great post. it sounds like you are reading some Zen books? if not then let me tell you, there was one zen master who told his disciples; just remember the moment before you were born and you will eventually become enlightened. which means: you will eventually understand that you are still unborn to this moment! every of our souls has a purpose, the only purpose to bring us close together, so that we can melt together again. as long as the melting has not happened we will be born in different bodies again and again. consciousness is not assigned to the body, the body is born in it. consciousness is the space within which everything comes and goes out of existence. the baby body’s consciousness/soul is not really confined to the baby’s body, it is still much larger. just look at the people close to a baby, they are so attracted to it. all people smile at them. people think its cuteness, but its more than that: its the baby’s consciousness that shines into your own consciousness, giving you a glimpse of your highest possibility. In many religions the people think of the baby as a holy being. Infact everybody remains a baby his whole life. the idea of becoming an adult is fake. You are still one and the same, only your body has become older, your mind has gained complexity. but the essential consciousness remains. even before and after this body exists in this form. whats the point? the point by getting back into that pure state of consciousness, you will be able to transcend this life and see into your past lives, sometimes also into the future. You will be able to transcend time and space, body and mind. and see into your real nature. Then you will become a vehicle for others to undergo the same ‘liberation from wrong view’. you don’t need to do anything at all for it, it simple happens all by itself. you can rest completely.
Hi, thankyou for the reply.
I have not read any zen books unfortunately, however i shall start to look at some.
With the past about you taking part and existing in consciousness, is that like life? Where its not something that we have, it’s something we just momentarily take part in?
the key to unlock your questions is to experience the words fully. experience to be only consciousness – only then you have a right view of consciousness, only then can you grasp its significance, its reality. as i see it and experience it, consciousness is you! and you are not born nor will you die, you are forever. hence its the only thing you don’t have, its the only thing you are and you can’t loose.
I believe we return to that same place – our consciousness, or awareness. I love all of the Seth Material by Jane Roberts, extremely fascinating – hard to put down. Seth says we are more alive in death then we are here! I’ve also heard that experiencing a concentrated form of DMT (naturally produced in the pineal gland, and in many forms of life, including plants) is very similar to NDE’s… that it’s a very spiritual experience, life changing when you come “back”.
There is much we don’t know about life….