Best nootropics?

Seque (@seque95) 8 years, 10 months ago

Which are the best nootropics and why?

January 28, 2013 at 2:47 pm
americium (4) (@americium) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Considering there’s basically no research showing effectiveness of nootropics why bother. The only ones that work are amphetamines, but they have crazy downsides, and don’t help long term. Once an actual effective nootropic comes out, it’ll outsell Viagra ten fold. Until then, it’s all placebo and bunk.

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ZionBorn (89) (@irievibes) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@americium, way to be a skeptic. Have you tired any yourself?

When I take pramiracetam, my verbal fluency and articulation of speech increases to the point where other people start taking notice. I can translate my thoughts into beautifully crafted sentences with such effortlessness that it scares me at times. It really is some amazing stuff.

It almost seems to induce a state of hyperthymia, or mild hypomania. Either of these states can be put to great use with the right intention.

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@seque95, I’ve talked about my experimentation with piracetam on here before.. it goes well with my lifestyle because it keeps me energized and balanced, not over stimulating. I just don’t trust putting a chemical into my body everyday that I have no idea how it was synthesized, definitely not organic. I think that is to be considered but I can’t complain about the effect.

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americium (4) (@americium) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, just because it’s synthetic doesn’t mean it’s worse than if it was organic. @irievibes, not doubting the effects you felt, but the placebo effect is incredibly strong, and there are a lack of studies on it’s effectiveness. I think being a skeptic is always a good idea when taking drugs that effect your brain. The long term effects are unknown, whereas the long term effects of reading, meditation, exercise and other commonly used drugs like caffeine are. That said, perhaps it works quite well, and guinea pigs are needed for the progress of science.

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Zhaetur (89) (@zhaetur) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I ordered some ashwaganda, bacopa, and lion’s mane in hopes that they would help with thinking. I noticed a slight increase in mental ability, but IMO it wasn’t worth the price. You can get cheaper vitamins that help in more noticeable ways

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americium (4) (@americium) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@zhaetur, which vitamins? Studies suggest taking vitamins, the usual multivitamins, have no benefit.

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americium (4) (@americium) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@irievibes, there’s research proving all the other things have an effect. I even suggested it may have the effect you noted, I was just urging caution because the long term effects are unknown. Short term gains that don’t last are common from drugs, as are long term negative side effects. You are purposefully making yourself a guinea pig, which could be viewed in a positive or negative light.

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James (8) (@freethynker7) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@ZionBorn dude that was fucking hilarious!!!!!!! made my night. i concur with you fully. people always throw out placebo for everthing. lol bullshit

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

May be of help
http://learningasart.blogspot.com/2012/11/pramiracetam-lions-mane-review-effects.html

(TL:DR if you take pramiracetam, make sure you take acetylcholine (tartrate) & Lion’s Mane Mushroom supplements. I’m extremely sensitive to stuff, and can distinguish my own placebo-induced feelings, and those that are “real” and something is definitely going on with this combination).

And as for the placebo:
http://learningasart.blogspot.com/2013/01/placebo-regurgitated.html

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Zhaetur (89) (@zhaetur) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@americium, currently I’m taking fish oil, vitamin c, vitamin d, and melatonin (at night). I believe there is scientific evidence to support their uses but if you have infor that suggests otherwise I would be happy to check it out

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@zhaetur, Vitamin C isn’t worth taking, the rest keep on keepin on..

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Alex Birkett (0) (@iamalexbirkett) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Desmopressin sounds cool. here’s some thoughts on a bunch of em though http://www.radioestes.com/tim-ferriss-favorite-nootropics/

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americium (4) (@americium) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@zhaetur, if you’re lacking those nutrients in your diet taking supplements help, but if you don’t lack them there can be negative side effects, especially if high doses are taken. At the bottom of the link it summarizes several other studies. Ray Kurzweil has his own program of supplements that is more researched, but I haven’t looked into it.

http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=217683#qundefined

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ELizard (229) (@heavydreamz) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@americium, I like to stick with organics especially something that I plan on consuming daily, you are what you eat. I don’t want my body to be composed of some petroleum based chemical.
The point you make about multi-vitamins is definitely to be considered.. you might find that a lot of multivitamins are synthetic as well.. cheap vitamins can be dangerous because they are completely synthesized and your body responds to them as poison (capitalism at its finest) and doesn’t absorb them, not very much benefit from these molecules designed in a lab, alot of the time you probably just piss it out. On the other hand nn organic multi-vitamin is highly absorbable and can be extremely beneficial but still very expensive.. it would be a lot more affordable to eat raw food with all the vitamins and minerals in tact.

@zhaetur, I actually bought ashgwanda today.. I’ve been experimenting with many of these different herbal remedies. The most useful Ive found and have been really into lately is yohimbe.. provides a great buzz, natural stimulant but also has MAO which is what prescription MAOI’s are based on.. much safer as well. The MAO effect is stabilizing mentally so negative thoughts stop fucking with my ability to perform any task. Very useful, similar to the effect piracetam has if anyone is interested in a more natural trial! In fact yohimbe piracetam combo is reaally nice.

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americium (4) (@americium) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@heavydreamz, your statement that synthetic molecules are inferior to organic molecules is completely incorrect, it depends entirely on the specific synthetic or organic molecule in question. In the future synthetic chemicals will be far superior to organic ones as it’s highly unlikely that nature provided the optimal molecule by natural selection.

Petroleum is actually organic, pure synthetics are not based on organic crude oil.
If I were to take supplements I’d look into this, http://www.rayandterry.com/

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