Cannabis VS self-discipline for spiritual awakening

 Seekotter (@Emscott93)5 years, 5 months ago

Hey folks, here’s something i’ve been pondering lately, still in the very unsure phase, but I welcome any thoughts or reflections!

For me, cannabis is a very spiritual drug/plant. When I use it, I do whatever I can to facilitate a elevated state of mind where I welcome insights, creativity, and self-development. However, I am in an environment where that is not always the case, many people seem to use it constantly for whatever personal reasons they have, that i am not entitled to know. anyways, I find that when I use it in an environment that isn’t based around deep conversations, or honest thought-provoking experiences, I often don’t get as “high”. For that reason, I can be somewhat judgmental of people who are simply trying to kick back and relax, that’s something i don’t seem to do much haha but i’m working on it!

The main point i wanted to make was, I’m torn between whether or not it is helpful to use cannabis to achieve those spiritual experiences, or if I should spend more time in disciplines that evoke similar results. It seems almost too easy to smoke and then feel connected, inspired, creative, etc etc… whereas it might take hours of meditation, disciplined eating, patience, yoga etc.. to reach those same conclusions. And I do think there is value in both methods. I guess what we have here is a Leary Vs Ram Dass approach, psychedelics or spiritual discipline? I know that it isn’t black and white, but lately I’ve been hard on myself for using cannabis as much as I have to have the experiences I crave so deeply, and I wonder if the ease at which I get “high” diminishes my desire to persevere. I do think after I smoke I feel more motivated because of my experience, but yeah.. so … hope that makes sense! 

Peace

your fellow spiritual aspirant

April 16, 2016 at 9:56 am
Anjelica (101) (@Anjelica) 5 years, 5 months ago ago

I feel that most substances can be used until you don’t feel like you need them anymore. Elevation isn’t something to be earned through straining your habits and stuff.. it’s finding your natural state. Even if the people you’re with seem numb, you can always feel into the room in new ways and perceive things without having to talk about them. Everyone has their own language you can connect with if you’re listening. 

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SoulPerfection (25) (@soulperfection) 5 years, 5 months ago ago

I agree here. Use until you no longer feel it serves you. I find sometimes its just a day, sometimes its a week. Whatever the case, i always find myself coming back to it for the very same reasons, its just easier to reach those states!

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Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 5 years, 5 months ago ago

I think if you’re starting to wonder about whether you “need” something to reach a fulfilled state, it means that you should take a break, if only to learn about yourself. Once you find ways to reach fulfillment without drugs, you can reexamine what you want your relationship with them to be and reintroduce them as you see fit. I find that the more sober fulfillment I reach, the less drugs appeal to me. The less external things I need, the better and more centered I feel.

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obi (3) (@superpooper) 5 years, 5 months ago ago

LSD + questioning of “who you are” should jump start you right into an ego death. Did for me, at least.
Some may  say, because I’ve used the term “me” , I haven’t went through an ego death. My question to those is, how else would you advise me to communicate the idea of “me”, to ‘another’? Truly just curious.

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