Cell Consciousness

a Lotus Blossoms. (@ancientmystic) 8 years, 10 months ago

If cells or molecules or atoms or anything on the quantum level were to be conscious, how the fuck would they ever know that they were working for a larger organism/being? White blood cells move with purpose, one could almost say thought, but that may be a stretch. They also have memories.

So my question is, put ourselves in the same scenario! Yes, we are conscious, but if our Universe were to be an organism (the structure of molecules reminds me of the structure of galaxies etc.) that worked because all of its constituents were working at their job at the ‘quantum’ level, how would we know that we were a part of something bigger?

See you have to be able to perceive outside of your sphere of observation in order to know this, but it is impossible. A molecule or cell can in no way ‘view’ the body it is a part of. So wouldn’t the same principle apply for us? Unless we could look at our Universe from outside of it, how could we really tell what it is?

Is it possible that our entire Universe is actually organs or serves some purpose to a larger organism/being? Could this explain the oneness between all? The flow of Tao? The kingdom of God being within? Within all of us?

February 12, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Alicia Lee (146) (@aliwine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

I see it this way: Supposing that electrons are real and that all particles have electrons we are all essentially made up of the same thing. So theoretically if “god” is to be in all of everything than the “god” particle is electrons. So the existence of electrons proves that higher power exists, and it is in everything connecting us to every object. That being said our energy is always looping, it changes states but never ceases to exist. So in my mind, reincarnation exists. What we become is the mystery. This also answers the question of population growth and reincarnation as well: by the fact that there are so many energies in the universe to be reincarnated. But then makes me wonder, was my energy always from earth? How would that work? Was I ever a cat or slug? Who knows. One day the questions will be answered- from what I believe it will be briefly as my energy transfers into something else.

But who knows really… that’s just what I think.

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Anonymous (22) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

You make a great argument! However, I must comment on a few statements you wrote. We feel a oneness because we all share a large amount of genetic data with the earth and the Universe. Our body make up consist of genes and star dust. These materials are what form you and I.

I see where you’re coming from but, we must look at how cells operate. Cells are created for singular purpose and cannot step out of that boundary or it will die.

We as humans have “free will.” We don’t have to believe in a cause or even live for a purpose. Free will is counterproductive to serving a larger being.

This is why we are not cells.

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Paul (0) (@muaddib) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@lougrey

Free will can not be proven to exist, it could just be an illusion.

It could be argued that environmental cues and previous life experiences set us on the track to perform all of the actions and behaviors that we perform in the course of a day.

Actions such as moving your arm to grab a snack could be seen as just as involuntary as a heartbeat.

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@ancientmystic, The will of God is that of the mightiest man.

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Anonymous (22) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Free will can be proven to exist based on the tools we naturally have. We have the power to take environmental cues and previous life experiences and hold them with esteem to make decisions or totally disregard them.
I understand where you are coming from but, this is strongly related to unjustifiable reasoning.

Part of being rational beings is the ability to change perspectives, call upon cues, experiences, and the ability to reason. This is what sets us apart from robots.

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syras (2) (@sixthgalaxy) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

Everything works in its own scale.At cell level, each cell is just aware of its own function.They do not need to be aware of the whole universe.

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KevinSG (105) (@flyingrhino) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@lougrey, as science dives further into how the brain works, free will is becoming less and less possible. Read “Incognito” by David Eagleman, and there are many lectures on the subject available on youtube. As much as I want to believe in free will, it’s looking to be impossible.

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Anonymous (22) (@) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@flyingrhino, I fully understand neural synapses and how our brain is hardwired by them. However, this is where the theory of predetermined will falls.
We have awareness, and as I mentioned before (the tools of reasoning, differing perspectives, ect.), humans have these abilities to make decisions.
An aware being is able to weigh the pros and cons of a situation using reasoning and logic (we don’t have to use past experiences as a basis) to decide.
I will allude to an A.I. These artificial beings are able to carry out complex task and, in video games do so in a seemingly human way.
However, they lack awareness (i.e. consciousness) meaning their fate truly is subject to a predetermined fate.
Since they’re not aware of their actions, their intelligence must follow an algorithm of randomized events. To suggest humans are somehow following an algorithm and we just don’t know it is illogical because we are able to reason and decide which A.I.s are incapable of doing.

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

@lougrey, Tread carefully, it could still be predetermined – just amazingly complex, on the level of complete direct signal from all angles, all distance, holistic spectrum.
Frankly that’s better than free will in my opinion. Being still gives you access to almost infinite information.

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years, 10 months ago ago

It takes the might of a mountain to be still

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KevinSG (105) (@flyingrhino) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@lougrey, Everything you said is explained in Incognito. Even AI awareness. It can all be traced down to zombie systems running in your brain. Making decisions can be boiled down to left brain vs right brain, as shown is split-brain patients who can no longer control or be aware that inner conflicts are being made.

There was a test done where a person was asked to lift any finger they wanted at any time, and let them know when they felt they knew they wanted to, while hooked up to brainwave machinery. What they found, in order , was – the brain signaled “lift finger”. After this signal from the brain occurred, the subject reported they felt the urge to lift their finger, in which afterwards the lifting of the finger occurred. This experiment has been done numerous times under different conditions. It pointed out that all decisions are made before we are aware of them.

Now, this doesn’t completely eliminate free will – I have my own theories – but it certainly piles against it. It is the same thing as arguing if there truly are 100% selfless people in the world – all actions can be traced down to what the person wants to do, ie: selfish.

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Anonymous (22) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@flyingrhino, I respect your views thanks for sharing them with me.

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Anonymous (272) (@) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Yeah man, I’ve often had that thought. That we are just a part of the whole. We’d never know it, if we are, per say, a brain cell in god’s body.

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