Censorship… ever ok?

 ceruleanswim (@ceruleanswim)6 years, 8 months ago

I personally have a great distrust for censorship, and feel like it’s never really ok. What do you think? Maybe there is a role for censorship, but if so, how do we articulate that line?

October 8, 2014 at 8:31 pm
Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

It is NEVER ok. It’s that fucking simple.

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Martijn Schirp (112,780)A (@martijn) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

Actually, it is quite complicated. In the time of the western enlightenment and the idea of progress and science they were rebelling against censorship of the church. And I think everybody here would agree that that has been a good thing. Yet, the problem arose when the church started censoring again. The paradoxical question can be formulated as thus:

Is it ok to censor information that calls people to censor information? Or, in the West, we censor people who call out to hate, to violence etc. The problem with letting everything out is that we can go back to where we came from, because we let the power out that wants to censor everything again.

The complication then arises, who decided what is censored and not? Who polices the policemen?

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

I see your point, but it’s even more complicated and that’s what makes it so simple in the end.

The people who are the most pissed off about censorship are also the ones most likely to start censoring things. Your example was a good one.
Another good example would be how the movements that were censored by fanatics and moralists just a few decades ago (for example: women’s lib or gay rights) have now become the censoring fanatic moralists.
The opinions that people assign newspeak buzzwords like “hateful” these days will reclaim their power at some point and then it’s the current norm that gets considered “hateful.”
People wonder how so many could follow leaders like Hitler or Mao, but fail to see that their own current culture is equally or more extreme.

You can’t make things go away. It’s like mental suppression, or medicine. Just trying to smooth over something that some, or most, people find unpleasant. In the end, all it does is push it into the shadows where you can’t see where it’s doing, where it will ferment and mutate and come back stronger than ever. It’s a game nobody can win, it’s tit for tat for eternity. Stalling something inevitable.
It’s like getting on a chair in order to stand tall, and putting a rope around your neck to keep your head high. May make some things more comfortable for a little while, but in the end you just turned a little inconvenience into a fatal calamity.

These unpleasant things will always be there. Perhaps for a reason.
It’s funny how people who preach about coexistence and acceptance, are usually the ones who are fastest to judge and shun people who disagree.
When people realized that shit is quite nasty, they invented sewers and related things which are nasty beyond imagination.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. It’s so ridiculously complex, it’s always extremely paradoxical and hysterically hypocritical.
The more you see it as a problem, the bigger a problem it becomes. The more complicated you think it is, the more complicated it becomes.

It’s all solved with a swift slice of Ockham’s fabled razor. The complicated nature of the issue is just a result of people trying to fix something that isn’t broken. Trying to burn the fire away.

So when you see someone saying something that seems a bit too simple, it doesn’t necessarily mean they haven’t thought things through like you have, it might just as well mean that they have thought it through even further or even to the end.

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Jinay Shah (4) (@Jinay-Shah) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

following the current trac we may reach the peak of development one day. but if something beyond comprehension occurs then its hidden due to the fear of mutiny. revealing all things may ultimately lead to destruction which is unfavourable to development. you see..some minions are needed to achieve progress programs t all can be made aware. some darkness is needed for the stars to shine. this is just the positive aspect of censorship. critical thoughts are welcomed.

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Manimal (2,998) (@manimal) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

There is no peak of development.

If petty bullshit can destroy something, it isn’t worth keeping. And then the question to ask oneself is: “What if what we’re trying to achieve is even more petty bullshit than the things we try to avoid?”

It isn’t worth it. Let it be destroyed, it’s pointless and fundamentally corrupt anyway.

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Baron Wright (50) (@BaronWright) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

Censorship is ok when we’re talking about little kids and pg13 movies. Other than that most forms especially those that judge art, books, songs, and any idea or speech is in a way twisting an idea and robs the person being censored the basic human right to be completely heard and understood. Plus what is considered appropriate and inappropriate is determined by a person or group of people that obviously have their own intentions and beliefs apart from others and how are we to question and form independent thoughts on our own when anything is chewed up and spoonfed to you. There are many forms of censorship and many different intentions behind each and I firmly believe that most of the time it is intolerable and hypocritical.

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ceruleanswim (59) (@ceruleanswim) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

Good points. I agree that we should question the motivations of various censoring groups. And yea, I suppose there is a line to be drawn with young kids, who really shouldn’t see every crazy thing out there.

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Optimystic (26) (@optimystic) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

I think inspiration will continue to guide us to like some things more than others.

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Anonymous (17) (@) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

To me censorship is emphasis.

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ceruleanswim (59) (@ceruleanswim) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

I suppose it is, if enough people can get their hands on the material. Like the best way to ensure a book is read is to ban it? I think I get what your saying…?

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Anonymous (17) (@) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

Yeah, even what we forbid our children to say or do is going to fire up their curiosity. What’s the smallest form of censorship? Don’t say a bad word in class, for example. That’s gonna make kids even more creative because it’s funny. I think the world needs more appreciation for understanding “the socially unacceptable”. I’d surely rather read things like this poem than the need for marching soldiers.
‘Anything Can Happen’
Shel Silverstein
Listen to the Mustn’ts,child,
Listen to the Don’ts
Listen to the Shouldn’ts
The Impossibles, the Won’ts
Listen to the Never Haves,
Then listen close to me —
Anything can happen, child,
Anything can be.

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ceruleanswim (59) (@ceruleanswim) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

I love this poem! I can’t be the only “adult” who still finds shell silverstein inspiring :-)

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Anonymous (328) (@) 6 years, 8 months ago ago

Another side to this is misinformation. It goes hand in hand with censorship. You really don’t have to censor when people go searching for the wrong things, or kill their appetite with psychological hooks, much is invested in this.

The ruling classes in history have always kept things secret. Nothing will change if it goes on forever. This kind of mistrust in the “masses” is what perpetuates the masses to think that they aren’t capable. I’m positive that we are wayyy past that point of illiteracy. It’s evident that people who have the potential to do will be separate from those who don’t care. And those who don’t care will never be interested if they don’t see new ideas. Leechers. Ironically, those who don’t care are the same ones who are deep into the manufactured misinfo.

Look: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

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