lunatic or enlightened?
either way a pretty good musician.
@ilooklikeawaterbottle, he’s definitely not normal, a little out there, I bet I could find more than a few HEthens who fit that bill. And I guess by the definition, ‘a person whose actions and manner are marked by extreme eccentricity or recklessness.’ He could probably fit that bill, certainly a skilled manipulator. Not sure prison is necessarily the right place for him in that case.
@paul2, Maybe, I know a lot of people who have done a lot of drugs and they aren’t at all like that though. I’m assuming it’s the almost 50 years of confinement that did that to him, 50 years of living inside of your own head can mess you up. There are definitely nuggets of truth in his speech, but it’s wedged in between nonsensical ramblings. I love watching and reading about him, very interesting. I wonder if his body will be donated to science after he passes…
@paul2, Lunatic, without question. If I had to guess why, I’d say that because he spent so much of his life in jail and had no positive influences in his life. His mother never wanted him, in fact, she once reportedly tried to sell him to a waitress for beer. Even before the murders, and the Family, and all that, he had already spent an amount of time equal to half of his life in jail. I read a lot about him in a class on Crime Literature.
@smalls, yes i definatly agree with the time in your head thing, i can hardly stand a week by myself… really. but the drug thing all drugs affect every person differently bc no two people have the same brain so theres no way you can really compare. yeah i wonder they should look at his brain after he dies.
@theskafish, yea rough life
@lolivia, hmm possibly .what is rhetoric?
@paul2, I think he had a very realistic mentality at a time, but with his emotional damages there was no way he could find value in an honest life. Sociopathic is what I’d call him. Being a victim to so many negative people who understand very little, as most people are, can do many negative things for the future of our people. Manson wasn’t deranged, but brutalized in his mind.
@paul2, I think he’s losing it more and more, so my guess would be the time locked up. But certainly the drugs can have that effect, probably a combination of the two. Have you seen this one? It gets a little less philosophical and a little more nonsensical. But he seems somewhat ‘with it’ in the beginning.
#2 is where it starts to go downhill
@cognizantelephant, yes i certainly could see a clear mind brutalized. Sociopathic…. hmm i have an interesting relationship with this word, could you elaborate on this adjective? @beyond, cool
@mikeyw829, yes thats very funny how that works. But insane from whose perspective? The outer world or his own world bc its bad only when you become insane to yourself.
@lolivia, ah could you call it cult of personality? like hitler
@smalls, no i havnt seen those im going to watch them now im almost through the first..
@paul2, To the best of my ability, of course. A sociopath would interact with patterns of accepted behavior in differing ways. Sociopaths in my own opinion is a more extreme term that shouldn’t necessarily be applied loosely, as many can refer to the term with personal reflection, then with a negative attitude, see the imperfections in themselves more magnified to the point of anger, or other depressive reaction. Manson exhibited those characteristics in ways that disrupted and infected others, putting emphasis on their flaws in personality, using them to his own advantage. He was the leader of a large cult, who carried out murders in his name, while producing an image of himself to attract followers. He wanted to manipulate others at a point, it transformed from an idea, to a feeling, to an actual desire that give him the drive to go out and act on it. Really dark shit
I think his manipulation came from not being in a stable home. He never had an organized living / parenting situation. I’ve read an article that put the idea out that said: stealing things gave him an identity, which he was not given in his earlier phase in life. This all lead to him getting in trouble with the law at a young age, and you can imagine the rest.
If there is anything, anything at all, remotely good about Manson, it’s that he proves that anyone can indeed play music. You don’t have to be a virtuoso like Page, Clapton, Hendrix, or Harrison to write originals which make musical sense. I think he was a late bloomer too…….correct me if I’m wrong but I watched a documentary which led me to believe he started playing the guitar while he was 28, from former gangster Alvin Karpis while the two of them were in jail.
@mercurial, Actually there was a time when I was really into maybe all serial killers and started searching about their motives, way of thinking. Their talents were something I was surprised about. Those that grabbed my attention were the talented ones. One in particular was interesting because of his original music, but the fact that the song I liked was recorded just before he killed people made me wonder how come you write a beautiful song like that and at the same time do such things? Anyway this is the killer I’m talking about. He was executed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVY2HQRFIsA (Not for the easily creeped out) Charles Manson isn’t as interesting.
They are definitely pieces of shit. And there are many like him. He really is nobody, he’s just famous.