Christ vs. Jesus

Tim W. (@phoggy) 8 years, 7 months ago

Does anyone else think of these as two different, but related concepts? I think of Christ as the highest form of consciousness, a force and function of God – or the second part of the Holy Trinity – The Son or The Logos (The Word of God). The Force of Love Itself. A complete awareness that All is One. Jesus of Nazareth was a man who demonstrated this higher consciousness to a very high degree, and thus was given the title “The Christ.” But Christ is a form of consciousness that is available, and the highest potential for all individuals. Jesus’ mission was to guide all people to “unlock” this potential in themselves. You don’t hear this around most churches, but it’s what I basically believe. I think this is applicable to all people, regardless of their religious affiliation. It’s terribly unfortunate that Jesus’ message was changed to the modern conventional idea that he was to be put up on a pedestal as this figure who is much higher than you, and who is to be worshiped an idolized above all people, and that only ‘Christians’ have access to his wisdom and teaching. I see his death as more of a demonstration of the ideal that you must be willing to completely surrender your life to a higher mission or purpose in order to find the highest potential for yourself. I wince at the idea that his death was an atonement for your sins and was some way to make you ‘right’ with God if you accept this concept. That’s missing the higher teaching. And maybe that works for some people, and was especially effective with the 1st century superstitious Jews who were very much stuck in the mode of duality but it’s not what many people of this modern age need to hear.

October 21, 2013 at 7:15 am
Kris (328) (@kjbaran) 8 years, 7 months ago ago

@phoggy, You and I drink from the same cup my friend :)

Tine (366) (@tine) 8 years, 6 months ago ago


couldnt have said it better myself, i agree completely. 1 question, what reference materials would you say have impacted your perspective in this direction the most?

DaFunks (366)M (@Dafunks) 8 years, 6 months ago ago

As long as we keep believing these people or characters are special we put a barrier between us and them much like celebrities today. This Jesus character is just a story designed to inspire. Christ is just a name given to the character to control people.

Believe the Mumbo jumbo if you wish. The difference is all in your head. It is irrelevant.

Tim W. (23) (@phoggy) 8 years, 6 months ago ago

@tine, I’ll tell you, the very first thing that happened to me to turn around my views of Jesus and the Bible was reading about near death experiences. These were a certain phenomenon that I had heard about before but one day I was sitting at my desk and it suddenly occurred to me that there were all of these stories out there of people talking to God and Jesus but I was curious about what Jesus said to them. I wasn’t really going into it with a particular agenda, I was just curious. So, I Googled “Jesus Near Death Experience.” That brought me to the site I read the stories one after another and I came to find a consistency in them and I learned that Jesus didn’t care about what religion people were and even atheists had these experiences. I learned that God loved people unconditionally and that the Bible was true but very much misinterpreted. I decided to investigate further and I read the Conversations with God Trilogy because I had heard there were these books where a guy claims to have spoken to God. I thought it sounded wacky but I opened the first book and I was glued to it! There was a lot of information in there and it opened my eyes to many many things that I hadn’t thought about before and I have found the themes in that book have been repeated in many forms through many different books, teachings, and religions. I have ever since decided to take everything that I read and keep an open mind about it. Many things I read I don’t agree with but I still always find that there is some nugget of truth in all the things I read and I’m looking for the common themes and patterns in all of it. I see that all of our films and music and books keep repeating the same themes and it’s evidence of a common story that we all have within us somewhere and it’s continuously being told and retold. I don’t think it matters if any of the stories I read are actually true, they all contain the same basic message. Jesus told his disciples that when a shepherd calls his sheep know his voice and Jesus’ sheep know his voice when it calls from anywhere and from any source because it retells his message again and again. I know that Christ is in all of the stories somewhere and when something resonates with me it calls out the loudest. Conversations with God says that you’ll know the truth because it’s the clearest message and you can know that truth and God are the same thing. It all fits together quite nicely the more I read and the more I study God’s Word in everything I read. I say just read whatever captures your interest in spirituality. I do highly recommend Conversations with God because it is very clear and you don’t have to believe that the guy actually talked to God to benefit from the information. It’s actually more amazing to me that a guy could have come up with all of it entirely on his own! It’s important to remember that you must be willing to release your preconceived ideas about things and be willing to at least entertain the new ideas for a while. Ponder them and decide if they resonate with you and release them if they don’t. Find the common themes. This is the backbone. You’ll find the same themes in all of the religions and spiritual philosophies. The differences are irrelevant. One near death experiencer was told that so many religions exist because none of them can meet every single person’s needs. But what is important is to find the one that brings you closest to God. What I find is best is to have your idea about a teaching, put it in your back pocket to have the knowledge of it, and just see if the world reflects any of it in your daily life. But don’t ever be at all surprised if you were to discover evidence that it were true or false. If it’s false, release it and be thankful that it helped you narrow down what is true by defining what is not true. It all teaches you something. It all helps you to better define your faith and shape it to something meaningful to you. Faith should be constantly put to the test and refined with the ultimate goal to find the truth within you. Faith should never be blind, it should be alive, constantly evolving, and well informed. Your personal experiences and observations about life should reflect your faith and never be in conflict with it.

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