Conflicted between the Teachings of Eckhart Tolle and Ramtha

Steve (@stevennadraus) 7 years, 6 months ago

Hello HEthens and Happy New Year! Hope everyone had a nice holiday…

So, my spiritual journey began when I first read Eckhart Tolle’s Power of Now. I have gone on to read The New Earth as well. One of the biggest takeaways I got from these books is “You are not your thoughts!”. Rather, you are the awareness behind your thoughts. This comforts my mind, because I know that whatever I am thinking, “it’s not real” and I am not my Ego. The message I received is thoughts aren’t that important because we should not derive our identity from the content of our minds.

Now, for Christmas, I got Ramtha’s The White Book and I have started reading the first few chapters. Ramtha’s teachings, which are also comforting so far, seem to directly contrast what Tolle says. Ramtha seems to state that our thoughts are EVERYTHING, that what we think leads to what we feel leads to what we become. The importance of our thoughts seems to be highly stressed, rather than disregarded.

So I don’t know what to believe really. Are our thoughts real? Should we regard them as part of our selves, or as fragments that aren’t representative of our true identity (awareness!). Anyone wanna shed some light???

January 1, 2015 at 1:15 pm
Ellie (1,363)M (@tangledupinplaid21) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

These teachings seem to be contradictory but I think I’ve worked out how they actually complement each other. Our identity as a whole is deeper than our thoughts, because we continue to exist even when we are not thinking… however, our thoughts (which make up our mind, disposition, mood, and attitude toward existence) determine the way we experience reality.
It’s not that the mind is not a real thing, it’s a tool you use to do things and can alter if you’re aware of it. It’s that living only through the mind (as is the default way normally) is not necessary, and that you are much more than that. So I think it’s perfectly possible to see that thoughts are important, and the content of your mind effects your reality, while simultaneously being aware that you can always step outside of that and your identity as a whole is not determined by the content of your thoughts, and you are in fact much bigger than that. The trick is learning to see your mind as the tool that it is rather than YOU, that way you can use and enjoy your thoughts without experiencing the constant anxiety.

Steve (2) (@stevennadraus) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

that makes a lot of sense, thank you Ellie!

LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

Nice to still see you here Ellie : )

psyne (5) (@psyne) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

You aren’t your thoughts anymore than you are your body, job, possessions etc.. however each can give you insights into your attention and intentions.

Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

I tend to think we are our ego, solutions are in embracing that not denying it. Awareness of our condition itself serves better than spiritual comforts that are used to come to terms with existence.

Thoughts and feelings can strengthen us or weaken us, it depends on if we own them or they own us. Thought is a relatively new feature to the human condition, meaning we spent a hell of a lot of time without it and did okay for ourselves, just keep thoughts in perspective as tools not our identity.

LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

To be blunt as usual…only what we feel and the light we spread are all that matters. We are guided to study the proper material to do these things when we are on the path of the truth seeker. Our thoughts are real and they are also false. What do we feel and what do we radiate?

Almeida (304) (@xetado) 7 years, 6 months ago ago

First of all, our thoughts ARE real. Every action is preceded by a thought, in some way. Eckhart’s message is that our identity is not defined by thoughts nor emotions, i.e., we just are.
I’ve never read Ramtha’s book, but I believe he must agree with the sentence “we are what we repeatedly do”. It’s a legit form of seeing reality as well, although I don’t agree with that.
Keep in mind that reality has infinite faces, those are just possible lenses we can have to visualize the world. Meditate on the subject and see which belief suits you more.

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