Conservation of Energy- Before the Big Bang

Alex (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, blah blah blah.

So how did the Universe get created to begin with? That would be creating energy.
The energy must have always existed- So either the Universe has always existed, or it was that infinite point always, and something made it ‘boom’

That, or all of the energy we see, is actually the energy within Nothingness itself.

You can’t just go from no energy, to all this energy though- Doesn’t it violate too many laws? You can’t say the law existed only after the big bang, because none of us were there- we don’t know.

February 13, 2013 at 11:43 am
Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

You seem to be pretty interested in this topic. I tried to show you this link already, but here it is again for what it’s worth:

http://www.everythingforever.com/ywexist.htm

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@chodebalm, I must’ve missed that before- thanks. I’ll reply when I can read it and let it sink in a bit.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, For sure bro. It’s one of the best reads I’ve come across regarding the universe and its origins (or lack thereof, for that matter).

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Taylor (152) (@taysand) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I plan on reading that link sometime soon also.

Recently I watched a video about black holes.. and how they condense everything they suck in to an incredibly small point, and how eventually it could theoretically become so dense that it “falls in between the space of nothing” and by doing so, creates a portal into another universe or dimension or whatever..
Well, what if the big bang was just a product of a condensed black hole(and the energy inside it) slipping through to an empty universe and releasing all that stored up energy in one violent explosion. So really the energy isn’t being created, it just existed in a different universe :o

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@taysand, There would still need to be an endless cycle of Universes then, that or another Universe does not hold the Conservation of Energy law, making it all moot.

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Taylor (152) (@taysand) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, for sure. I’m open to believe either of those as a possibility.

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DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

This is my underlying reason for why a deity exists, and by deity I mean some incomprehensible presence which can account for the beginning of infinity (as well as the end of it)

We, as relative beings, will never be able to perceive this deity, so we will never have the answer we seek. This deity is the essence of absoluteness.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@lytning91, One of my earliest thoughts for the probability of God was actually through math. I was fascinated with the concept of 0. So as I went deeper into the division of 0, I realized its undefined because it can = any number.
0/0=random, which in effect creates the beginning of infinity and free will at the same time.
0,0 on a graph is called the origin. 0 is neutral, neither positive or negative. It is truly the ‘3rd side of the coin’
The sum of all numbers=0
Antimatter and matter created equally. If combined it =0
Nothingness may be more primary than something, and we COULD represent this as 0.

So I started to think the concept of 0, Nothingness, and God were all very similar.

But then I learned more, and broke out of a conceptual existence. God is nice to think about conceptually, but practically, its useless for me.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

So to me that 0 is the essence of absolute, and when 0 divided itself, it divided itself into pieces of something.

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DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

The issue with this line of thinking, though, comes from the fact that you are attempting to place logic in something, that by our nature, we cannot really grasp. Shape to the unshapable. Simply because I can say forever, doesn’t mean I can really understand the full gravity of what forever really is.

This is how I frame your number example as well. It’s a placeholder for something we just don’t get…nor will we ever. We can make assumptions and create proofs based on it, but we are never really manipulating it. It’s like energy…we can play around with heat, swirl and rearrange elements label that “creation”…but our actions have no permanence, whether positive or negative.

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Alex (551) (@hollowinfinity) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@lytning91, Exactly, which is why I disregard it now. It may be the closest I can logically get to understanding the concepts, but I’ve moved past that now, and care more about what the concept itself means. That or trying to rid myself of the concepts, which is hard, because numbers, language, and how we think is all built on axioms of axioms of concepts.

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DaJetPlane (994)M (@lytning91) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@hollowinfinity, it’s tricky lol

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