I’ve heard and read information claiming the shootings at Sandy Hook elementary school were in some way backed up by the government to get support for harsher gun laws. And, to shift the attention away from the missiles being shot in other countries during the same time as the shootings at the school.
Does anyone have any thoughts?
@squishy, It’s hard to know….Honestly, it’s possible and the evidence is strong most of the time but it’s hard to know. I’m not some naive and ignorant person, I look into these things just as much as the next person BUT I don’t let it consume me to the point that it owns my mind and my existence. In a way, that is exactly what they want isn’t it? If they have just as much control as we think, wouldn’t they be able to read EVERY single thing you write online? Wouldn’t they have the power to shut down all of these conspiracy sites? Everything is done strategically, they want it to consume you, gives them more power. Whoever “they” are.
Its so sickening how someone honestly believes their personal plans to be more important than lives, and worst, they have to stage something so horrible to get what they want, knowing the shock and devastation it will cause, and that that reaction is exactly what they want. I just don’t understand how people can let themselves become so wrapped up in this illusion that they become cold husks of beings.
If it is for someone’s hidden agenda, who is to say that agenda isn’t something very beneficial? People ALWAYS automatically assume that if its a secret from yourself, its not good. Perhaps this is just one step to a world wide peace installation. You never know, the most we can do is form an UNBIASED opinion on the issues.
In mythologies across the world, there is always the dilemma between saving 1 person, or saving 1,000,000. Some stories even make it harder by making that 1 person the love of your life. What would you do? In fact, you are that person. It’s what its called being a human. As cracked.com put it.. you just witnessed someone get shot, their friend is freaking out..and you run over to help, but you aren’t a doctor. What do you do?
If that 1 person were aware that their death would save millions, and create world-peace, they are pretty damn selfish person to not die. That is just my biased opinion tho. :)
@squishy, don’t always believe everything you’ve been told is age-old advice – we can modify it for today’s times as don’t believe everything you’ve been told no matter the platform of its presentation – if one looks at one of the youtube links above be sure and look to the right side of the screen where similar video offerings stand for you to click on them – and then that one produces more ad infinitum – conspiracyists tickle our intellects, eyes and ears with slick modern production and editing techniques and seemingly prove their point to us – but each one can do that – which one is correct and which is ridiculous – from the illuminati to the masons to aliens to angels mating with humans long ago – where does it stop – and how does any of it contribute anything of value or positivity to anyone?
@squishy, People who start conspiracy theories usually have an agenda themselves, plays into peoples nature of distrust, create instability, no confidence in the powers that be. @luigiblue, said it himself, really what the system wants is to distract us enough so we do not reach a higher level of awareness, because when we do we cease to be slaves to consumerism and we stop futily chasing some golden life of excess that we have been conditioned to believe is so fulfilling.
@squishy, I Don’t dismiss conspiracy theories. But I have never heard one that isn’t put forward in a terribly biased and silly fashion. I haven’t looked into the sandy hook one but I imagine it will be the same. Conspiracy theorists often use very persuasive language and present “evidence” in a very subjective manner, but when one looks at the evidence in an objective manner it usually turns out to be useless. Conspiracy theorists never ask the important questions and jump to conclusions and leave a large gap in logic. A prime example of this style of arguing is the show Ancient Aliens, which, I hope everyone realises, puts forth a ridiculous case.
It is important to remember that these people are looking for conspiracies and ways to prove them, they don’t just stumble upon them.
First and foremost, my deepest condolences go to the families who lost their loved ones.
Now, I had a big debate about this the other night of whether the act itself was a setup rather than just an unfortunate event. There have been a series of events that have been occurring which I have noticed which back my suspicion of something more going on. It started with the Defense Authorization Bill, then all shootings and now the new gun laws? It’s called pressure tactics. People need to wake up and smell the air and realize what’s going on. Too many are sitting in front of the TV being preoccupied with nonsense all the while being too distracted to see what’s going on or ask questions. Something is going on, within the government or perhaps deeper.
You would be surprised on what you see and hear when you sit back and observe….
“Open your eyes, look around sometime”
@hollowinfinity, Well, I don’t think it’s about peace but i have hope that it could be. At the same time the president was basically crying on national television about the poor families devastated by the shooting, he was shooting missiles to families in different countries.
This causes me to think that his gun policies are not for the children or for peace, but for control. he doesn’t want us to cause a riot so his administration is trying to convince enough people to get the policies passed.
I don’t know if the shootings were some part of a conspiracy but if they were them taking away guns is the LAST thing we need.
@squishy, They are not trying to take your guns away! there is a massive difference between gun control and a gun ban. They are just trying to put gun controls to the standard it is in other countries. There is no problems in Europe, for instance, with owning a gun for personal defence, you just need a gun license and prove that you are a responsible gun owner, much like with a car. Gun control is obviously necessary in America. In states like Florida you can easily and legally procure an Ak-47 or M60, weapons which are not made for personal defence but in fact to kill quickly and in vast amounts.
well here we go…..i am a gun owner of the umpteenth degree. i excercise my right to keep and bear arms…..legally. i own hunting guns, pistols assault rifles and the like, every gun i own is registered and documented i have a right to carry permit and a federal fire arms class three permit, that allows me to purchase automatic weapons as long as i register them with the federal government and in doing so forfeit all search and seizure and warrant rights at my home. that being said the sandy hook shooting is clouded to say the least, we will honestly never know what is what. i do know this that guy walked through the front door with two rifles and a pistol on his side dressed in camo pants and a military jacket or some version there of, i find it kind of odd that he walked past an office full of secretaries unnoticed dressed like that carrying guns and NO ONE THOUGHT THIS WAS ODD? not a phone call until the shooting started, but i wasn’t there so who knows. i know this making it harder for me to own a gun or purchase one or worse case trying to take them will not change a thing. you see responsible gun owners are not the problem, it is the irresponsible ones. there will always be irresponsible and disturbed or distraught people in our country. i don’t know what the solution is…..is it a mental health concern, a screening for ownership thing, or maybe trying to curb black market sales. i know this if i can’t have MY GUNS the cops shouldn’t have theirs or uncle sam for that matter. there is a bit of information out there that isn’t spoken much of….when this first went down and we were all panicy about gun ownership many police departments said they wanted no part of trying to take guns from registered gun owners…and for good reason. gun owners own guns which shoot bullets, most gun owners are proficient and accurate with their weapons and not afraid to use them when threatened. also if it were a military action think of this……..just the registered hunters in New York State, Pennsylvania and Ohio outnumber our military force in individuals. not to mention the other 47 states. that is a lot of angry gun owners to disarm. feasible? definitly not, likely? not at all. i expect some radical gun control with grandfather clauses for most of us legitimate gun owners out there along with fees every year to re register assault weapons. and as for doyle from dublin posting above who needs an assault weapon? as long as my police or government has one….i want one. and i have the right to. england banned guns i believe and not much changed cause it only effected legal guns illegal guns still show up in the hands of criminals and now the cops can’t shoot them you know why? cause the government took all the fucking guns.
@thedudeabides, Okay first of all, no one is trying to ban guns. They are not banned in england. Everyone I talk to about this always goes on about the government “taking their guns from them”. Gun control isn’t a ban on guns. It doesn’t plan on taking guns from responsible owners. You would just have to prove that you are a responsible gun owner. Do you think we should let people drive cars without driving licenses? This is the case in england. You can own certain guns as long as you have a gun license. Gun control just means anybody can’t just walk in off the street and buy a gun. The same way anybody can’t just start driving a car.
The issue isn’t with criminals/gangsters with guns because this is a seperate issue and is a universal problem. So what if the english police force can’t shoot people? They have special armed squads to deal with specific issues. It isn’t an issue there. It isn’t like police officers are getting shot all the time.
As for assault weapons… Why is it your “right” to own one. If assault rifles are okay because the government has them why not bazookas, C4, nuclear warheads? Where does it end? Are you expecting an invasion? Or civil war?
@chekovchameleon, we have gun control. we need to prove we are responsible gun owners. the problem lies in the simplicity with which we can procure guns off the street. black market weapons are the cause of most violent crimes in america. granted the boy wonder who supposedly shot up the school stole the guns from his mother but who really knows the true story. as for assault rifles and other weapons, if i had enough money and could buy them legally i would stock pile a fucking arsenal. the reason isn’t civil war or a country invasion it is plain and simple one word………zombies, the undead motherfucker, zombies.
@thedudeabides, just out of curiosity where do you live? Because I know gun laws are different in certain states. For instance I know that in Florida you can buy a gun without a permit, in actual fact there are certain clauses that allow people to sell guns who are not licensed to do so.
@chekovchameleon, i agree about the gun sales, actually those are technically illegal but not enforced at all, until that is someone gets in trouble doing it, gun shows are notorious for that. where i live is irrelevant, what is relevant is that i go about my firearm procurement legally, i have to due to the nature of my stance on gun laws and the fact of my holding a federal firearms liscense, i am required, by law, to register any firearm i own or purchase, not to mention if i didn’t i would be rather hypocritical trying to make my above mentioned rebuttals. i ascertain that there are individuals that go about the process of firearm procurement through the many loopholes in the process but i am not one of them. i’m merely stating that i can and do own many types of weapons as is my right and legal allowance, until that is they take away my constitutional rights….which may be coming to theaters soon. the fact is i am now on a list of potential threats to the government due to my liscensing, i was long before the shooting in connecticut, if i were to rebel against anyone or use deadly force i would go to the gang banger selling throw away glocks out of his trunk in some ghetto, not use one of my registered weapons, they are for the zombies, that is unless we see a military state and the us government falls into a state of anarchy, upon which weapons food and resources will become viable alternatives to trade in a post apocalyptic scenario. i’ve enjoyed your insight….be well.
To be honest with you, I would say it’s plausible but, unlikely. The mass media conglomerate chooses to cover whatever catches their interest.
These things happen and the mass media makes them seem like a big deal because their message can be spread nationally very quickly.
Here’s an actual political problem, industries for the 1st amendment want the 2nd amendment taken away and vice versa. Liberal news supports removal of the 2nd amendment thus, they will make this seem like a big deal.