Contemplating the after-life

Salmi (@Salmi) 8 years, 11 months ago

What are we? A soul and a body or a a rational body that gets on with everyday life? As a theist, I am inclined to favour the Dualistic point of view – soul+body – if, we were just rational bodies who will cease to exist after we’re gone then i should end my life now and spare myself some misery. Anyway, suppose the soul does exist, what happens to it after we’re dead – does it die as well? Again, as a muslim I don’t believe that. “So the soul lives on forever?” suppose it does, is that a good thing? Living FOREVR! is it really a good thing? Is heaven going to be a good thing?

Let me start on a new chain of thought concerning true wisdom. It is unachievable since it is infinite. If I live on forever will I be able to achieve true wisdom? In other words if I go on forever will be able to reach infinity? Then again, why in god’s name do I want to achieve true wisdom? I achieve true wisdom, then what? Live on forever? lol, no thank you!

October 12, 2013 at 4:08 am
MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 11 months ago ago


I wanna say its like a dream, ya kno. There’s no such thing as death per say. You just wake up to different realities. Death isn’t a one time thing. We die every day in a sense. In a dream do you ever really die? No, you just wake up. In this reality do you ever really die? I don’t know because I have never really experienced physical death, but with that said I theorize that its like a dream. If someone tries to argue that when you die your dead, if they have never died themselves, how do they know?

These things, like everything else, are relative to what we perceive them be. But just because we perceive these things they way we do, doesn’t mean that that’s the way they are. Everything is an illusion in the a sense.

I think of it as the law of conservation of energy – energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. If you think of everything as energy, nothing ever ends or begins. That includes birth and death.

Charlotte (51) (@11mothernature) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

When I was dreaming last night I reached a revelation (for myself anyway), and in my dream I realized that I couldn’t wait to die and experience new things. Because I’m having so much fun in my own life.
There are so many forms of life, and I believe we have all been here before and will continue to come back. I’m learning so much and can’t wait to come around the circle again so that energy can be applied and push even further.
As sadistic and gross as that sounds…

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Salmi (4) (@Salmi) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@11mothernature,@monkeyzazu I think you might enjoy this
I suppose it relates to what you’re saying to a certain degree.

Salmi (4) (@Salmi) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@11mothernature, @monkeyzazu, As for what you were saying, I’d like to believe that my dreams are actually reality and I have a very vague account of this life while dreaming and vice versa. See, I don’t want to relate to anybody – however, it’s the inescapable tragedy of life. No matter what you do you’re still ‘in the game’. I suppose the only possible solutions would be the end of existence or going bat-shit insane (shutter island-esque to a certain extent but my terrifying experience would be my entire life!)

MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 11 months ago ago


Holy Fucking Shit… pardon my french. Yes, I did enjoy that. Thank you for sharing. I have seen that somewhere else on HE, but never took the time out to read it.

I kinda paused when I got to the hitler part. Just the notion or the idea that I’m that piece of shit, irritates that hell out of me. I’ve always felt really sad and pissed when it comes to the holocaust. I even cried one day during meditation when I thought about it from a spiritual perspective. Me thinking to myself:

Higher Me – No right or wrong, only what is and what will be?
Lower Me – Bullshit, the holocaust is wrong no matter what.
Higher Me – Pain helps people grow, evolve.
Lower Me – No race of people should experience that much pain and suffering.
Higher Me – Its karma. They themselves have done bad things in their past lives which is why they felt all that pain and suffering.
Lower Me – ……….
Lower Me – Karmas fucked up then. Yea it makes sense, and is somewhat fair, but its still fucked up.

Not being able to comprehend and understand this, tears followed shortly. I don’t know why I’m sharing this on a website. But HE is much more than a website. Its a medium in which we express ourselves. There would really be no difference if I were to express this to someone else in person. There’s just a wider audience here I guess.

After reading that egg thing though and my other studies lately of shared consciousness, it makes a little more sense. Coming at it from that perspective I finally understand this inner demon video that always confuses me.

But yea, what you were saying earlier,
“I don’t want to relate to anybody – however, it’s the inescapable tragedy of life. No matter what you do you’re still ‘in the game’. I suppose the only possible solutions would be the end of existence or going bat-shit insane”.

Our experiences are limited, finite in a sense. We don’t really understand everything so we call it crazy, insane, illogical, stupid. To a being that understands all of our limited experiences, what would be crazy? Maybe the only way to fully understand everything is to fully experience everything, including all the different perspectives that encompass these experiences.

Reincarnation in a nutshell.

Ezra (2) (@foxheartt) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

I agree very much with what @monkeyzazu says. I’ve always contemplated it, but never had the exact words to phrase it in the way which he did.

I like the idea of waking up to different realities. I think as human beings with our bodily functions, our brains can only comprehend so much of what there actually is. For example, I’m quite sure simple life forms, like bacteria, don’t comprehend life the way we do. They have a different perception of reality based on the vessel they are inhabiting.

I think, as human beings, we are both body and spirit. Our spirit is infinite and all-knowing (expressions of “God”), but our bodies are finite and mortal and stupid. Because everything is energy, we flow through different forms and experience reality differently depending on which vessel we are currently inhabiting.

I think death is a release of the energy in your body. I don’t think it happens suddenly, but it flows out and into the cosmos. I personally don’t think that there is a heaven ruled by a human man who decides which organisms are good or bad. That doesn’t make sense, it’s like God saying the mosquito is bad, when, in reality, the mosquito was just living it’s life the only way it knew how. I think it’s irrational to believe that human souls don’t come from the earth, but from somewhere far off. We are part of the earth and the universe. In the end, I don’t think we are conscious of what’s happening. It’s not a sudden darkness and a closing off of the world, but more like a sudden openness and new awareness that far transcends our human-ness.

Of course, I’m only speculating on all of this. The truth is no one knows what death means. I mean, hey, maybe Scientology is the answer. What is important is to live your life now to the fullest because this may be the only chance you have.

Justin (20) (@justinc123) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@salmi, What if we’ve already been there done that over and over again but make ourselves forget? When we begin to talk about this we’ll always find ourselves talking about God so I will cut to the chase. Here is what I personally believe makes the most sense: To our highest extent (or highest self) we are God, or the entire expanse of all that is as well as all that isn’t (The universe seems to work in paradoxes) or source or whatever you’d like to call it. All of everything is like a Spider web graph, a central circle branching out and stemming from it more circles, and from those even more, and etc etc. We have the opportunity to enjoy personal heavens and interact with loved ones, rejoin the highest form of counciousness, or reincarnate and live another life, maybe even have the option to cease existing. Or maybe life is like a video game and we evolve in a sense, going into higher and higher states of being until we reach God Hood, and than maybe we start all over again in new ways and new lives and new experiences. Or maybe nothing. But this is what helps me sleep at night.

MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 11 months ago ago


I like the way you put things too. They really vibrate for me.

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