could we file our bad memories into our dream memories

Alex (@aweagles91) 8 years, 9 months ago

If we could file select memories into our dream based database, as oppose to our reality based one, could it potentially rid humans from the burden of a troubled past? Could it prevent us from regretting that which we cannot change? Or maybe lead us towards a constant present-based mindset as oppose to our instinctual human trait, ie, being exceptionally efficient at imagining and relating to “that which does not exist” in what we perceive as past and future, by preventing us from dwelling on the past. We could analyze them like we can analyze our dreams. If both realms of our conscious mind become relevant than maybe the two will intertwine and produce a more “in-the-moment” global human mindset.

February 11, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@aweagles91, Our dreams are how we process information that we have gathered in the day, they are not a creative cryptic message that we have to unravel. In a day you focus on things, these things you consciously process, but there is a bunch of stuff that you are not focusing on but your brain absorbs them nonetheless.
When you walk into a crowded room you hear a garble of people talking, you can focus on one conversation and consciously process it, but there are ten other conversations that are going on and your brain records each one, you just don’t know it. The same is with vision, you have a central focal point to your vision that you see with clarity, but you also have the blur of peripheral vision that you do not realize your brain records.
This is the malfunction in Autistic people, they attempt to consciously process every bit of this simulii, where as most of us filter out what we are not focusing on, only to process it by way of dreams when we are asleep. The reason I am telling you this is because filing bad memories away as dreams is redundant, they already are.
Now, our experiences are what shape us, as they say “Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it” The problem is when we resist the efforts of life to mould us, it can only leave us behind, life is trying to make us into the person we need to be but we fight it and end up falling short of who we need to be.
This is caused by artificial distinctions and illusory boundaries that we place on ourselves, things we try to use to figure out things, external conditioning, instead of simply trusting what makes sense. That sense is something we all have but we are lead to believe our personal one is flawed, that other people know what makes sense better than us, so do not trust our own one, we are told mimic people who do not know your unique set of strengths and weakness’.
That is why people do not grow in understanding, because they do not trust their own sense of what is logical and therefore do not go on to reasoning, and such denies an adequately approximated objectivity.

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I don’t know what you’re talking about.

Seems like you’re having a hard time getting over your thoughts and you want me to tell you an easy fix. There isn’t one. Just be present and do shit – regardless of who you have led yourself to believe that you are.

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Edward Bernays (131) (@edwardbernays) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

There was an article in The Economist about a study on how sleeping helps the remembering and forgetting of information-making forgetting an active process. You remember the things you need to. Remembering and learning from the past is an evolutionary process-you wouldn’t have this moment without the past.

I don’t see a correlation between dreams and selected memory.

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Alex (1) (@aweagles91) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

I agree that dreams help to mould our future actions by way of recycling peripheral or non-focused sensual experience in order to teach us what we cannot consciously teach ourselves. Our bodies grow in many subconscious ways but the events i instinctually analyze as “memories” are stored in a different realm of my conscious mind, ie, one that is different from the one that stores my dreams. I learn from my dreams yet i do not dwell on them as i dwell on my reality based past for natural efficiency reasons. When we get better and better at objectively viewing a past situation then we dramatically increase our impact each event has in our future decision making processes. We exceed our states of consciousness’ as we gain a more and more objective outlook on our reality-based experiences. The end result of this cycle could potentially be the ability to view our reality as we do our dreams. In a completely and consistently objective point of view.

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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

There is the saying “Courage is not the absence of fear but rather it is action despite fear” a similar principle exists for success “Success is not the absence of failure but rather in doing your best even though you may fail” When you do your best, any judgements by yourself or others are unjustified, regardless of how you may fall short.
When you understand this principle you can go on to trust yourself, more and more so, and when you trust yourself you trust what makes sense, then the door to reasoning is opened.

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Dan (890) (@danfontaine) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@edwardbernays, Blow more minds, plx

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Alex (1) (@aweagles91) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

Your words are full of enlightenment and i am down for every one but where i wanted this discussion to go was more towards the potential practicality of this proposal. The actual physical reaction to a human convincing himself that a past event was just a dream. A possible evolving scenario where humans begin to become more present-minded organisms. A possible diminishing of our instinctual imaginations in order to preserve our home from our ambitions, becoming more one with what is. I do not wish for my thoughts to be mistaken for a fact i believe to be true, i wish for my idea to be built on thought about deeply as oppose to being initially overridden by a very relevant yet overpowering point of view.

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Edward Bernays (131) (@edwardbernays) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@danfontaine, I am slightly confused.

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Alex (1) (@aweagles91) 8 years, 9 months ago ago
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Ray Butler (1,423)M (@trek79) 8 years, 9 months ago ago

@aweagles91, Okay, I don’t let memories bother me, what I have done or what others have done, because no one has really got life all figured out. I don’t see things as good or bad but as strengths and weakness’, advantages and disadvantages, we all have both and we all do both. As horrific as anything was, we are all just fools stumbling in the dark, not knowing complete consideration or how it should manifest.
But as you say: Dreams are learned from then you can discard them but memories always remain, you hypothesise how we would be to treat memories like dreams, this probably is possible with discipline. I have a lot of emotion for things as they happen, usually vicariously, but I disassociate emotion from memory, when I remember I recall the emotion that I felt and even can see how I would feel about it now but I don’t relive it.
But I’m a bit of a freak like that.

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