Datura / Flying Ointment

Jordan Lejuwaan (@jordan) 9 years, 11 months ago

Hey fellow psychonauts, I have some questions for you today about one of the least commonly used psychedelics — Datura / Jimson Weed / Devil’s Trumpet. FYI This baby grows naturally in many places, and has been used by shamans for centuries to achieve magical states. It is also the substance that was reportedly used by witches to fly, change into animal form, cast spells, etc.

It’s pretty damn interesting.

More info: http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura.shtml

I recently found out that the best way to get Datura into your body is through a skin ointment, since the skin does not absorb Atropine (the chemical that makes ingesting large amounts of Datura very dangerous). The skin does, however, absorb Skopolamine, which is what you’re really after ;)

Questions:

1) Has anyone made this ointment before, and if so could you share your recipe? This is one of the queries for which Google has failed me.

2) What were your experiences like?

October 31, 2012 at 1:40 pm
11:11 (1) (@marmstrong) 9 years, 9 months ago ago

@emecom, Carlos Casteneda has a very big following, but that doesn’t mean he’s reliable. A family friend of mine devoted his adult life to researching, procuring, preparing and ingesting every shamanic substance that there was even rumors about in order to separate fact from fiction. He wrote a book about his findings, and one thing he said is that Casteneda made up a lot of stuff. You can check out his work here: http://www.jamesdekorne.com/PSH/psy.htm

Don Juan Matus was a real person, and a real Shaman, but there are definitely a lot of inconsistencies in Casteneda’s writing. Read the works of Lujan Matus. Casteneda wrote about learning from a Nagual, but Lujan is a Nagual himself. He also has a forum and teaches classes on Shamanic movements. (http://www.parallelperception.com/)

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cHappiness (351) (@lachychap) 9 years, 7 months ago ago

@jordan, So dude, it seems I arrived a bit late to this thread. What was the result? And overall verdict on the plant known as Devils weed?

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Cody (472) (@versai) 9 years ago ago

@jordan Have you had any success? Been doing a lot of research lately and spotted a datura plant in my own yard. Gonna try to prepare and try it someway soon

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Jordan Lejuwaan (23,445)A (@jordan) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@versai, Unfortunately not. I’ve made the ointment twice and applied liberal amounts to no effect. My aims have since switched towards peyote :)

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@jordan, Why peyote, its more expensive and difficult to find.

San pedro & peruvian torch are freely available, although less mescaline content.

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Cody (472) (@versai) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@jordan, Great choice! I’ve never tried actual peyote buttons but rather extracted the mescaline from san pedro. My mescaline experiences hold the record as my favorite psychedelic over shrooms, lsd, even dmt and ayahusaca. I can’t yet compare but the purity of the extracted experience is worth the effort I think.

I did try taking a mild dose of the datura seeds to little effect. Was nothing close to the delirium some experienced on erowid, but it loosened my brain for sure and my dreams that night were very lucid and vivid.


@ijesuschrist
, haha, why not peyote? haven’t you had the experience before? Well worth the difficulty and cost, IMO.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@versai, Peyote contains the same alkaloids as san pedro & peruvian torch, in probably similar ratios… So why peyote?

How many seeds did you take of datura? Were they fresh or dried?

I took around 10 seeds for dreaming, nothing happened, and lost interest.

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Cody (472) (@versai) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Oh, I see. I guess idk why peyote over the other species, but definitely worth exploring either way. I agree go for the cheaper and more available san pedro for pretty much the same effect. Makes no difference when extracted which is my only experience anyway.

I took 20 datura seeds and they were picked from the pod that same day, so pretty fresh haha. A friend took 40 and experienced more of the side effects like severe dryness of the sinus, but still no euphoria or delirium. I decided the plants I picked from must have been a little underpowered, because I also tried a crude methanol extraction on 2g of pulverized seeds and the yield was way lower than the tek suggested, not even worth scraping and trying.

I’ve since lost interest, too. They sound way more active and dangerous than they are, IMO.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@versai, Not extracting from the mother plant is one hell of a nasty soup. I forced puking because not only was the nausea terrible, but my own puke tasted better.

There are also nearly a dozen species in Datura, each probably with variable alkaloids and ratios… They all look quite beautiful though.

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Cody (472) (@versai) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Yea, I took some cool pictures of the one I found and decided it was d. Inoxia but I’m no expert.

Lol, do you mean preparing the peyote/pedro in a soup/tea? Yea that method sounded a little daunting. Would recommend the extraction hands down because there was no nausea to distract from the experience. 400mg of bliss.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@versai, what was the base used? Did you use ron69’s extraction?

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Cody (472) (@versai) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist, Yep, the 69ron dry tek. Based with calcium hydroxide, pulled with d-limo, then pulled from that with diluted hcl solution, then evapped. It’s actually quite a bit of work for what you get, but still worth the experience.
http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/69ron’s_D-Limonene_Mescaline_Extraction#cite_note-1

The most difficult part is diluting the hcl to the right ph. I bought mine as muriatic acid which is already diluted hcl but I had to dilute it much further, like 8 drops in 100ml h2o is my zone. Even a ninth drop makes a huge difference and it pulls out a lot more gunk. I have a bunch more tips I could give if you decide to try it.

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JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 8 years, 11 months ago ago

@versai, Why not just use the 12M muriatic acid? Shouldn’t have to dilute it.

Edit: I see the note… doesn’t make sense to me.

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