Deeper level of Physics than Quantum Mechanics

james (@jamesjohnson) 8 years, 1 month ago

Hey all,

Just came across an interesting article about a nobel prize winning physicist who postulates that there is a deeper level of physics than at the quantum level, which can causally explain all of the things about quantum mechanics that we can’t yet comprehend like entanglement.

“Hooft thinks the notorious randomness of quantum mechanics is just a front. Underneath, the world obeys perfectly sensible rules. In the models he has toyed with, those rules govern building blocks even more fundamental than particles. You’d see them only if you could zoom into the so-called Planck scale, which, according to many modern theories, is the smallest meaningful distance in nature.”

He uses this to justify superdeterminism. I like the way the author puts it –

“Through the laws of physics, you can trace every choice you make to the arrangement of matter at the dawn of time. Superdeterminism adds a twist of the knife. Not only is everything you do preordained, the universe reaches into your brain and stops you from doing an experiment that would reveal its true nature. The universe is not just set up in advance. It is set up in advance to fool you.”

Anyway, there’s a whole interview with this guy that is pretty interesting. Not saying I agree with this, but it certainly is something to think about.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/critical-opalescence/2013/10/07/does-some-deeper-level-of-physics-underlie-quantum-mechanics-an-interview-with-nobelist-gerard-t-hooft/


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, thought you may find it interesting since you had just posted an alternate topic.

October 9, 2013 at 6:52 pm
JonH (1,139)C (@IJesusChrist) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Before I watch;

” the universe reaches into your brain and stops you from doing an experiment that would reveal its true nature.”

This is very hard to bite down on. I understand that it is an analogy or metaphor, but this cannot be true. This seems a bit too anthropocentric (or even too bio-centric for me). Maybe its just the way its phrased.

I also do not believe that quantum weirdness is all that weird. I think we’re only seeing half the picture, and with the half we see, things look chaotic and random, but behind the screen is a very ordered, logical arrangement.

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Bodhisatva (8) (@Young-Buddha) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

That is very interesting. Order out of chaos. Are you familiar with the occult and other ancient teachings such as sacred geometry?

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Bodhisatva (8) (@Young-Buddha) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@ijesuschrist, It is hard to bite down on. The universe only allows you to see what it wants you too. Everything is orderly while seeming chaotic. You as an individual are only a small part and can be easily overwhelmed, at least in this realm.

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james (20) (@jamesjohnson) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@stfrancis, Holy shit dude! That’s incredible. Swear I saw one of those during a DMT trip…

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james (20) (@jamesjohnson) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@ijesuschrist, “I also do not believe that quantum weirdness is all that weird. I think we’re only seeing half the picture, and with the half we see, things look chaotic and random, but behind the screen is a very ordered, logical arrangement.”

Yes, I believe that is exactly what he is saying. It just appears weird because we have yet to see the other side.

The fact that all of it can be predicted through natural laws, which we have not discovered yet is justification of superdeterminism. If the universe is made of completely logical, and causal laws then whatever happens in the universe is a direct result of the initial state of the universe and how those laws act/acted on that initial state. Or something like that.

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Anonymous (127) (@) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

Oh, no shit, there’s another layer to existence? I thought we knew everything already…

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LVX (297) (@Vovinawol) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

I think it is both chaos and stabiliy, going by the natural laws of Chaos Magick. There are some theosophists that have always known those answers. What can any of them know by using a fraction of one percent of perception. They use an instument rather than what they need to use.

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Zykanthos (4,757)M (@chodebalm) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@jamesjohnson, Thanks for sharing this. It’s intriguing. I need to research this guy’s theory and read more about it. He isn’t very specific about how things would work, and maybe that’s because he himself still doesn’t fully know because it’s still a young theory. But one thing I would like to ask him is…what about cause and effect? He talks about it, but quantum mechanics shows that at the quantum level, cause does not necessarily have to come before effect. For example, virtual particles can and do pop in and out of existence for no discernible reason. If he’s saying there’s an underlying reason for all of this and that effect before cause is an illusion, I’d like to know why and how. Again, I need to read more in depth about this, but I really appreciate you sharing it. I’m very intrigued.

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Anonymous (170) (@) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@stfrancis, Sweet article

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Bodhisatva (8) (@Young-Buddha) 8 years, 1 month ago ago

@stfrancis, You can see the sacred geometry all over that picture!

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