Definition of Truth, What is real?

 MonkeyZazu (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago

What is your definition of truth? Mine is “what is consistent relative to what you observe and experience.” Does this mean everything outside of your observation and experience has to be a lie? In a sense, your truth can never be the same as someone else’s truth because your experiences are your own.

With that said, what is real or fact? Fact/Real is what really is regardless of opinions, objective. But how can you know what really is? If you can only know what you have experienced, which is relative, what is objective or real?

April 30, 2013 at 5:31 pm
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Sean (24) (@thrash197) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

Reality is what YOU make it. Everything is capable of being real, or it would have never existed to someone in the first place.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist,

Hehe ^_^. How far down the rabbit whole do you want to go? Was this a bad question? I’ve thought about this before, but always get stumped trying to think if there really is anything absolute. The only absolute thing I can think of is the mind or consciousness or the brain because everything is relative to it.

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

I always say – gravity is pretty real.

No matter what you do to your consciousness, you cannot selectively remove gravity from your physical body… but having a trip where you seem to be in outer space talking to god and flying around… yup. how far down the rabbit hole?

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Anonymous (149) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu, It is all about perspective. All that matters is YOUR understanding of the universe.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@thrash197, @smokeup1,

Isn’t that what I said though? You can only truthfully know what you observe and experience. I wonder if anything outside that exist? If you can know something regardless of your experience or observation. Hmm.

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Sean (24) (@thrash197) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu, Yea it is a lot of saying the same thing in a different way. I don’t think know anything without an some kind of experience, because after all, isn’t our brain function a continuous reaction to past events we’ve experienced?

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

The truth is before words about the truth, the words contained within truth. One cannot describe truth/tao accurately. :D

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Anonymous (149) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

When I took LSD once I saw my homie in a different perspective. He didn’t do anything though to change my perspective of him.

Everyone you meet will have a different perspective of you right? and I saw my homie as if I was a different person. Just a completely different perspective but it only lasted a couple seconds. I think I was just aware of that very moment that while he was talking to me my perception changed somehow i don’t know.

That’s the closest I can think about when it comes to your question, “I wonder if anything outside that exists?”

Other than that, I wonder as well. jaja
@monkeyzazu,

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist,

I’ve heard of people removing their consciousness from their bodies or going to places where time and space don’t exist. A majority of people have never experienced that before, so they can’t say its true because its outside the own experience.

I guess we really could keep going down the rabbit hole, asking questions about what really is and how we can know for sure what really is, but at some point you have to draw the line. Just have to find out where to draw it.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@thrash197,

Thats what I’ve always thought too. The brain is just an organ, a muscle that regulates the body and reacts to everything. My views about that are changing now.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@splashartist,

I thought about that too! Man, everyone on this site has very similar thoughts about stuff.

A couple weeks ago I thought to myself, what is thought without language? Everything I am thinking right now is language that I have learned. What was my thought like before I learned this language? Could I still logically reason and come to conclusions without it?

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Sean (24) (@thrash197) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu, What has led you to change your thoughts about this? I am curious because I feel very pessimistic in the way I feel about the brain and have been searching for some evidence of other possibilities.

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Psychonaut (133) (@psychonaut) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu, There is no such thing as objective truth; subjective truth, yes. When dealing with objectivity it is a matter of correctness. Some claims are more correct than others, but they never bear truth.

Further, there is an on-going debate between epistemologists about realism and skepticism. Basically, it is as follows: You cannot know anything unless you know you’re not dreaming. You cannot know you’re not dreaming. Therefore, you cannot know anything. It may seem fallicious at first glance, but it is water tight. There have been numerous papers siding on each side but neither is winning the debate, it is a standstill. And probably a permanent one at that.

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@monkeyzazu, Thought is merely a representation of a certain frequency or vibrational state. The languages or images of thought are simply representations of that vibration. So, my guess is if we didn’t have our language that the images used to represent the energy would change to something else. Probably more picture based.
To go even further though along the lines of truth. What is life when there is no thought in a present moment? Truth seems to be operating even when you aren’t thinking about it. So how can a thought which comes into truth and diminishes out of truth accurately describe it? :D :D
Just some words about it anyways xD

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Anonymous (0) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@psychonaut, But you do know you’re not dreaming. Haven’t you been living your same human life for years now? What about when you go to sleep and have dreams?

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@psychonaut, Its not as water tight as you may think. We can know that we are(I am, or I exist), even if you can say you don’t know this to be true it only further proves that you are. Cheers :D

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Anonymous (2,833) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

The physical realm of things has objective truths – they are the laws in which all physical matter and energy abide by.

However we are not completely physical. Consciousness is not physical. Our consciousness is intertwined and very much dependent on our physical form, but we are able to create these subjective experiences outside of physical.

In the subjective there is no ‘truth’ there is just the now.
In the physical, we have truths.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@thrash197,

It was when I was having a discussion with someone in another thread I made. If I remember correctly, it was “without memory, can I still exist” thread. She linked me to a video that showed an episode from through the wormhole, love that show. I think of consciousness and the brain as two different things, but that show made me see how closely they are related to each other.

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@psychonaut,

I think I side with the people who say you can never know whether your dreaming or not. To put it simply, I define reality as the place or existence you have been the most conscious in and dreams as existences outside your reality. I think there is no definite way for you to know if this existence you call reality is really the existence you have been conscious in the longest. For all I know, there could be another existence I have been conscious in longer, but I just can’t remember it. If something like that existed, that would make this existence I call reality, a dream.

@splashartist, I see what your saying. Was a little confused at first.

@psychonaut, @splashartist, @stevenv,

I actually have another post regarding dreams. I call it Dreaming Soul Theory. Basically it ask the question is human life nothing more than a soul’s dream? I’m very detailed in it. Would love to hear everyone’s opinion about it. https://www.highexistence.com/topic/dreaming-soul-theory/

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Anonymous (512) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

Who cares?

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Nick (554) (@splashartist) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@optimystic, Lots of people seeking the truth of who they are and what is actually real care. Maybe (can’t be sure though) you don’t fall into that category, in that case why comment such a thing? Cheers :)

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@ijesuschrist,

But those laws are just consistent observation of the physical world. If someone were blind, they couldn’t observe the physical world as we do. If someone provides proof of a law of the physical world in mathmatical form, a person who is blind wouldn’t be able to observe that either. What ever sense was used to make that consistent observation, if we didn’t have that sense, how could observe or experience that law that describes the physical world? So aren’t those laws subjective to people who can observe them for themselves?

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MonkeyZazu (1,865)M (@monkeyzazu) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

@optimystic,

Why would you even post a reply like that? Obviously the people who are discussing it. If you have no interested in this topic, make up one that you do have interest in and discuss it with people who share it.

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Anonymous (0) (@) 8 years, 5 months ago ago

Truth is not to be defined. Truth is what defines us.

Nothing is real in ultimate reality, and Nothing is just about the realest thing you can experience.

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